- From: Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@webbackplane.com>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:00:39 +0000
- To: Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com>
- Cc: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, RDFa <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>
Hi Shane, Fair point. And on re-reading the thread from back in July, I see that Ivan makes the same observation, which immediately doubles the number of people holding your view. :) Regards, Mark On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com> wrote: > Quick follow up. With regard to Mark's proposal at [1]: > > PROPOSAL > > So to bring everything together, the proposal is: > > (a) RDFa should add support for URIs in attributes that currently only > support CURIEs; > > (b) authors should be encouraged to use safe-CURIEs in those > attributes; > > (c) but since ordinary CURIEs may still be used, we should differentiate > by saying that anything appearing before a colon, that is not a > mapped prefix, is a protocol. > > I disagree with (b). I don't think there is any need for this. If the > processing rules are handling this, then in these contexts there is no need > to use a safe curie. On the other hand, the TAG will have a cow if we > permit URIs and CURIEs in the same place. That was their principle > objection to the CURIE spec. How do we overcome that hurdle? > > [1] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Jul/0062.html > > > Shane McCarron wrote: > > FWIW, I think I agree with Mark on this one. It is low hanging fruit. > > Note that no matter what, changes like these are things that relate to a > future version of RDFa, not to the current version. > > Mark Birbeck wrote: > > Hi Manu, > > I'm afraid I still disagree with the priorities here, for the reasons > explained at [1] and [2]. > > Whilst some kind of vocabulary extension is of course important, as > far as I know the only substantial criticism that has been levelled at > RDFa is its requirement to use CURIEs/prefix mappings, and so I think > we should really put some effort into addressing that. > > Fixing this would be low-hanging fruit, for us. > > It simply requires us to agree on how we allow full URIs in @rel, > @rev, @property, @typeof and @datatype. > > (I had a full proposal at [3], which seemed to be supported on the > list. Toby had an issue with how my proposal related to existing eRDF > content, using the example of "dc:creator" -- but this might be > incorrect, because as far as I can see, eRDF uses dots not colons.) > > I realise that Hixie would prefer to have no prefix mappings at all in > RDFa, but I think that horse has bolted. > > But I do think that providing support for full URIs, so that authors > at least have the choice of whether to use prefixes or not, would go a > long way towards answering his criticism. > > And it's not as if the feature isn't useful, either; when using small > 'packets' of RDFa, such as on one or two elements, it's often more > convenient to provide the complete URI, and not bother at all with > prefix mappings. > > Regards, > > Mark > > [1] > <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Oct/0045.html> > [2] > <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Oct/0050.html> > [3] > <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2009Jul/0062.html> > > -- > Mark Birbeck, webBackplane > > mark.birbeck@webBackplane.com > > http://webBackplane.com/mark-birbeck > > webBackplane is a trading name of Backplane Ltd. (company number > 05972288, registered office: 2nd Floor, 69/85 Tabernacle Street, > London, EC2A 4RR) > > > > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com> > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > We have a telecon in 1.5 hours, let's try to get a game plan together on > implementing an experimental @vocab extension for extending the list of > reserved words. > > ========== > Thursday, November 5th 2009 > 1500 UTC, W3C Zakim bridge > tel:+1.617.761.6200 conference code RDFA > irc://irc.w3.org:6665/#rdfa > Duration: 60 minutes > Scribe: Zakim, pick a victim > ========== > > Agenda: > > 1) Action Items > http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary > > 2) RDFa WG charter updates (short - 10 minutes) > > 3) @vocab discussion > > -- manu > > -- > Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny) > President/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. > blog: Establishing an Open Digital Media Commerce Standard > http://blog.digitalbazaar.com/2009/09/28/a-digital-content-commerce-standard/ > > > > > > > -- > Shane P. McCarron Phone: +1 763 786-8160 x120 > Managing Director Fax: +1 763 786-8180 > ApTest Minnesota Inet: shane@aptest.com > > > > -- > Shane P. McCarron Phone: +1 763 786-8160 x120 > Managing Director Fax: +1 763 786-8180 > ApTest Minnesota Inet: shane@aptest.com > >
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