- From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 19:37:55 +0200
- To: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
- Cc: RDFa <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>, Toby A Inkster <mail@tobyinkster.co.uk>
- Message-ID: <48288073.1040908@w3.org>
Many, Toby, one remark to the comments/questions below, although it is a side issue. Crazy ivan is based on issuing ASK queries to SPARQL engines, but those engines may (and, in some cases, do) get to erroneous conclusions with XML Literals. The trivial example I ran into with SPARQler was whether I use the character " or the character ' for an attribute. The two should be considered to be identical, but they are not by the SPARQL engine. Ie, all those cases the automatism of crazy ivan would fail and, I am afraid, we will have to manually adjust the test results:-( Manu Sporny wrote: [...] > >>> The proper output for that particular statement should be (in N3): >>> >>> <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0092.xhtml> >>> dc:title >>> "E = mc<sup xmlns=\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\">2</sup>: The >>> Most Urgent Problem of Our Time"^^rdf:XMLLiteral. >> Would not the following be equally acceptable? And if not, why not? >> >> <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/0092.xhtml> >> dc:title >> "E = mc<x:sup xmlns:x=\"http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml\" >> >2</x:sup>: The Most Urgent Problem of Our Time"^^rdf:XMLLiteral . >> >> The syntax document certainly doesn't seem to forbid it. >> See Gell-Mann's Totalitarian Principle. > > The above would be acceptable as far as I understand the discussion thus > far. Both statements are functionally equivalent. Perhaps others have a > different point of view... > Hm. this is a murky issue. Toby is absolutely right that the two XML fragments are identical in the sense of the XML Infoset they represent in this particular syntactical form. However... The RDF Syntax document defines the internal representation of an XML Literal in the abstract triple store as the canonical XML representation of the XML Literal. The canonical XML specification[1] does not equate two canonicalized XML fragment if the only difference between the two is namespace rewriting (see [2]). The way I understand this is that the fact that one fragment uses a default namespace whereas the other uses the 'x' namespace suffix means that the two XML Literals are different according to the RDF Concepts[3]. Ie, even a prefect SPARQL implementation would not equate the two for these reasons... The issue (that may have to be revisited at some point) is in RDF; RDFa just inherits the murkiness... I may have gone wrong somewhere, though. This issue continuously twists my mind, I must admit... Ivan [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xml-c14n-20010315 [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2001/REC-xml-c14n-20010315#NoNSPrefixRewriting [3] http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-concepts/#section-XMLLiteral -- Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ PGP Key: http://www.ivan-herman.net/pgpkey.html FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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