- From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:47:45 +0200
- To: Steven Pemberton <steven.pemberton@cwi.nl>
- Cc: RDFa <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <46FCBFB1.6030208@w3.org>
Flattering to say (in the minutes) that my implementation is up-to-date, but was not 100% true at the time of writing those notes... I have made an update. For the records, at the moment: - it understands @xml:lang and does not understand @lang (any more) - it makes the transformation on text literal that we discussed, though it does not do it on XMLLiterals (yet; also pending on the TF resolution on the matter) - the management of @instanceof is not 100% like in the syntax document because that is not final (and, I believe, also not 100% correct...). Obviously, this will be updated as soon as there is a resolution on that issue - it understands the base element and does not understand @xml:base - it uses the CURIE syntax but understand the predefined @rel/@rev/@property values only (pending resolution on the matter). - it uses the new URI for the predefined @rel/@rev/@property values I actually renamed the variables I use in my parser to those used in the syntax document, for an easier comparison. Ivan P.S. The implementation also includes a preprocessing steps for collections and containers now. As soon as the TF wants to tackle this issue I am happy writing down this step exactly and more formally to see if it is a possible feature we want to add... Steven Pemberton wrote: > > Strawberry: > http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html > > [NEW] ACTION: Ben to add implementations page to RDFa.info [recorded in > http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] > [NEW] ACTION: Ben to remind the WG reviewers about review for FtF > [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] > [NEW] ACTION: Shane to send a link to new editor's draft to Ben > [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] > > Vanilla: > > - DRAFT - > > RDFa Task Force > > 27 Sep 2007 > > [2]Agenda > > [2] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0242.html > > > See also: [3]IRC log > > [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-irc > > Attendees > > Present > ShaneM, Ralph, Manu, benadida, Steven, markbirbeck > > Regrets > Michael > > Chair > Ben > > Scribe > Steven > > Contents > > * [4]Topics > 1. [5]Action Items > 2. [6]FtF Planning > 3. [7]Status of Implementations > 4. [8]Status of Test Cases > 5. [9]XHTML1.1 Namespace for rels > * [10]Summary of Action Items > _________________________________________________________ > > > > <RalphS> [11]previous 2007-09-20 > > [11] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html > > <scribe> Scribe: Steven > > Action Items > > [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary > > [12] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary > > <scribe> ACTION: Manu draft some partitioning language that is > technology-neutral [recorded in > [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [DONE] > > [13] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action14 > > Manu: Is it worked in? > > Mark: Yes, sort of > > <scribe> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded > in [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] > [PENDING] > > [14] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04 > > <scribe> ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add > xml:lang support [recorded in > [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] > [PENDING] > > [15] http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11 > > <scribe> ACTION: Michael look for a more semantically correct > predicate for tests 42-45 [recorded in > [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] > [PENDING] > > [16] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action14 > > <scribe> ACTION: Michael make sure to confirm a design for checking > that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) [recorded in > [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] > [PENDING] > > [17] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action07 > > <scribe> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- > unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in > [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] > [PENDING] > > [18] http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06 > > Ben: I'm working through some issues this week, but we're making > progress > > FtF Planning > > [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda > > [19] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda > > <scribe> ACTION: Ben to remind the WG reviewers about review for FtF > [recorded in > [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] > > Ben: Mark will lead the discussion, it will be Monday morning > > <benadida> agenda for f2f: > [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda > > [21] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda > > Ben: I hope you will demo some stuff > ... Shane, you are joining by phone? > > Shane: My plan, but I need to see a schedule > > Ben: Ralph, going? > > Ralph: Not sure yet > > Manu: Mark, beware of live demos > > Steven: Yes, I had a similar problem yesterday at a talk > > Ben: Please demo my clipboard if you have time > > [Discussion of current uses of RDFa] > > Status of Implementations > > Ben: We need this information to show that there is progress > > Mark: My implementation is coming on nicely > ... the RDFa part needs to be modularised still > ... so that people could pick it up separately > > Ben: Is it a part of Sidewinder? > > Mark: No, it is 3 or 4 javascript files > ... in libXH > ... as I call it > > Ben: Can it manage the test cases? > > Mark: Yep > > Ben: We have Ivan's Distiller, up to date > ... Elias's Pythion implementation, not up to date > ... there is Operator > > Manu: Not up to date yet > ... Operator will be in Firefox 3, and then in Songbird > ... so RDFa will be just there > > Ben: My Javascript implementation is not yet up to date > ... the bookmarklet > ... then RDFa Monkey, I don't know the state > > <RalphS> [22]RDFa monkey > > [22] http://www.avthasselt.sohosted.com/rdfamonkey/ > > Ben: Fabien's XSLT, it is up to date, modulo a whitespace issue > > <RalphS> (RDFa monkey home page cites Elias' test files, not the > more recent ones) > > <scribe> ACTION: Ben to add implementations page to RDFa.info > [recorded in > [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] > > <benadida> implementations -> > [24]http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#head-681001ee6c73e87bd692e29693b390 > 4e462fd9f2 > > [24] > http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#head-681001ee6c73e87bd692e29693b3904e462fd9f2 > > Ben: there are some other implementations, Java and Python > > Manu: How about IE? I heard they are adding microformats > > Shane: How about Chris Wilson? > > Ben: Do you want to talk to him? > > <scribe> ACTION: Shane to contact Chris Wilson [DONE] [DONE] > [recorded in > [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] > > <RalphS> [26]list of some RDFa implementations > > [26] http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa > > Status of Test Cases > > Ben: Deferred till next time > ... Isee your message about href everywhere Shane > ... we did resolve to accept that > > Shane: Yes, and I have today fixed that > > Ben: Should we update the editor's draft and tell the reviewers? > > Ralph: It would be good > > Shane: I made a couple of editorial fixes too > > <scribe> ACTION: Shane to send a link to new editor's draft to Ben > [recorded in > [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] > > XHTML1.1 Namespace for rels > > [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007S > ep/0216 > > [28] > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0216 > > Ben: There is a problem that the XHTML namespace doesn't end with a > hash or slash > > Mark: In the section on unprefixed values, I say that it uses the > XHTML namespace with a hash on the end > ... but we should move away from the idea that these are namespaces > ... so we are not talking about changing the XHTML namespace, but > defining the prefix > ... but there is a problem with overlap with the role attribute > ... they are so close, they ought to use the same system > > Shane: There can't be multiple default prefixes for CURIES > > Ben: But rel can have a magic property using reserved words > > Steven: I would be happy if we could avoid special rules and magic > > Ben: I think it is a special case because of backwards compatibility > ... rel="foobar" is not even allowed > > Mark: It is if you have a @profile > ... so there are docs with a profile, with non-HTML rels > ... and quite valid therefore > > Ben: So the specific issue > ... we do need a default prefix URL, alsoi that ends in a hash or > slash > > Steven: Why does it matter? > > Mark: Because of round-tripping, which strictly RDF doesn't support > ... but is a sort of standard practice > ... in one case we would have the concept of xhtmlnext, as opposed > to xhtml:next > ... it is only convention > > Ralph: I like the idea of Shane's to use Apache redirecting to > redirect xhtmlnext to something else > > Mark: Why do we care; we can add a hash without a problem > ... We can add the relations to their own subnamespace > ... otherwise just straight to the XHTML namespace > > <benadida> example [29]http://creativecommons.org/ns# > > [29] http://creativecommons.org/ns > > Ben: That is the CC namesapce > > <RalphS> Shane: XHTML already has things under xhtml/ so I would > expect objections to the simple concatenation xhtmlnext > > <benadida> /1999/xhtml/ns# > > Mark: In the Modularization schemas we have 1999/xhtml/datatypes > > <benadida> /1999/xhtml/vocab# > > <benadida> /1999/xhtml/?# > > Mark: so we could have 1999/xhtml/vocab# or something > > Ben: I like the word vocab as being general > ... anyone object? > > Shane: Mostly harmless > > <benadida> PROPOSE that we use 1999/xhtml/vocab# as the prefix for > next, prev, etc... > > Ben: Deciding about nofollow is another issue > > Ralph: Second > > Ben: Opposed? > > Mark: We can't speak for the whole XHTML2 WG, but I think it is the > best option > ... +1 to it > > RESOLUTION: that we use 1999/xhtml/vocab# as the prefix for next, > prev, etc.. > > <ShaneM> New draft of rdfa-syntax is at > [30]http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20070927/ > > [30] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20070927/ > > Ben: This doesn't solve the issue of whether we should special-case > the the legacy rels > ... we'll treat that another week > > ADJOURN > > Summary of Action Items > > [NEW] ACTION: Ben to add implementations page to RDFa.info [recorded > in [31]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] > [NEW] ACTION: Ben to remind the WG reviewers about review for FtF > [recorded in > [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] > [NEW] ACTION: Shane to send a link to new editor's draft to Ben > [recorded in > [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] > > [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case > [recorded in > [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04] > [PENDING] ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add > xml:lang support [recorded in > [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11] > [PENDING] ACTION: Michael look for a more semantically correct > predicate for tests 42-45 [recorded in > [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] > [PENDING] ACTION: Michael make sure to confirm a design for checking > that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) [recorded in > [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action07] > [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right -- > unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in > [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06] > > [34] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04 > [35] http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11 > [36] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action14 > [37] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action07 > [38] http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06 > > [DONE] ACTION: Manu draft some partitioning language that is > technology-neutral [recorded in > [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] > [DONE] ACTION: Shane to contact Chris Wilson [recorded in > [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] > > [39] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action14 > > [End of minutes] > _________________________________________________________ > -- Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ PGP Key: http://www.ivan-herman.net/pgpkey.html FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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