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Minutes 2007-09-27

From: Steven Pemberton <steven.pemberton@cwi.nl>
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 18:14:33 +0200
To: RDFa <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>
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Strawberry:
	http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html

[NEW] ACTION: Ben to add implementations page to RDFa.info [recorded in  
http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: Ben to remind the WG reviewers about review for FtF  
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
[NEW] ACTION: Shane to send a link to new editor's draft to Ben [recorded  
in http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]

Vanilla:

                                - DRAFT -

                             RDFa Task Force

27 Sep 2007

    [2]Agenda

       [2]  
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0242.html

    See also: [3]IRC log

       [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-irc

Attendees

    Present
           ShaneM, Ralph, Manu, benadida, Steven, markbirbeck

    Regrets
           Michael

    Chair
           Ben

    Scribe
           Steven

Contents

      * [4]Topics
          1. [5]Action Items
          2. [6]FtF Planning
          3. [7]Status of Implementations
          4. [8]Status of Test Cases
          5. [9]XHTML1.1 Namespace for rels
      * [10]Summary of Action Items
      _________________________________________________________



    <RalphS> [11]previous 2007-09-20

      [11] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html

    <scribe> Scribe: Steven

Action Items

    [12]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

      [12] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#ActionSummary

    <scribe> ACTION: Manu draft some partitioning language that is
    technology-neutral [recorded in
    [13]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [DONE]

      [13] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action14

    Manu: Is it worked in?

    Mark: Yes, sort of

    <scribe> ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case [recorded
    in [14]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
    [PENDING]

      [14] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04

    <scribe> ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add
    xml:lang support [recorded in
    [15]http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
    [PENDING]

      [15] http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11

    <scribe> ACTION: Michael look for a more semantically correct
    predicate for tests 42-45 [recorded in
    [16]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
    [PENDING]

      [16] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action14

    <scribe> ACTION: Michael make sure to confirm a design for checking
    that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) [recorded in
    [17]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
    [PENDING]

      [17] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action07

    <scribe> ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right --
    unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in
    [18]http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]
    [PENDING]

      [18] http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06

    Ben: I'm working through some issues this week, but we're making
    progress

FtF Planning

    [19]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda

      [19] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda

    <scribe> ACTION: Ben to remind the WG reviewers about review for FtF
    [recorded in
    [20]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]

    Ben: Mark will lead the discussion, it will be Monday morning

    <benadida> agenda for f2f:
    [21]http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda

      [21] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/AmsterdamAgenda

    Ben: I hope you will demo some stuff
    ... Shane, you are joining by phone?

    Shane: My plan, but I need to see a schedule

    Ben: Ralph, going?

    Ralph: Not sure yet

    Manu: Mark, beware of live demos

    Steven: Yes, I had a similar problem yesterday at a talk

    Ben: Please demo my clipboard if you have time

    [Discussion of current uses of RDFa]

Status of Implementations

    Ben: We need this information to show that there is progress

    Mark: My implementation is coming on nicely
    ... the RDFa part needs to be modularised still
    ... so that people could pick it up separately

    Ben: Is it a part of Sidewinder?

    Mark: No, it is 3 or 4 javascript files
    ... in libXH
    ... as I call it

    Ben: Can it manage the test cases?

    Mark: Yep

    Ben: We have Ivan's Distiller, up to date
    ... Elias's Pythion implementation, not up to date
    ... there is Operator

    Manu: Not up to date yet
    ... Operator will be in Firefox 3, and then in Songbird
    ... so RDFa will be just there

    Ben: My Javascript implementation is not yet up to date
    ... the bookmarklet
    ... then RDFa Monkey, I don't know the state

    <RalphS> [22]RDFa monkey

      [22] http://www.avthasselt.sohosted.com/rdfamonkey/

    Ben: Fabien's XSLT, it is up to date, modulo a whitespace issue

    <RalphS> (RDFa monkey home page cites Elias' test files, not the
    more recent ones)

    <scribe> ACTION: Ben to add implementations page to RDFa.info
    [recorded in
    [23]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]

    <benadida> implementations ->
    [24]http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#head-681001ee6c73e87bd692e29693b390
    4e462fd9f2

      [24]  
http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa#head-681001ee6c73e87bd692e29693b3904e462fd9f2

    Ben: there are some other implementations, Java and Python

    Manu: How about IE? I heard they are adding microformats

    Shane: How about Chris Wilson?

    Ben: Do you want to talk to him?

    <scribe> ACTION: Shane to contact Chris Wilson [DONE] [DONE]
    [recorded in
    [25]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

    <RalphS> [26]list of some RDFa implementations

      [26] http://esw.w3.org/topic/RDFa

Status of Test Cases

    Ben: Deferred till next time
    ... Isee your message about href everywhere Shane
    ... we did resolve to accept that

    Shane: Yes, and I have today fixed that

    Ben: Should we update the editor's draft and tell the reviewers?

    Ralph: It would be good

    Shane: I made a couple of editorial fixes too

    <scribe> ACTION: Shane to send a link to new editor's draft to Ben
    [recorded in
    [27]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]

XHTML1.1 Namespace for rels

    [28]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007S
    ep/0216

      [28]  
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2007Sep/0216

    Ben: There is a problem that the XHTML namespace doesn't end with a
    hash or slash

    Mark: In the section on unprefixed values, I say that it uses the
    XHTML namespace with a hash on the end
    ... but we should move away from the idea that these are namespaces
    ... so we are not talking about changing the XHTML namespace, but
    defining the prefix
    ... but there is a problem with overlap with the role attribute
    ... they are so close, they ought to use the same system

    Shane: There can't be multiple default prefixes for CURIES

    Ben: But rel can have a magic property using reserved words

    Steven: I would be happy if we could avoid special rules and magic

    Ben: I think it is a special case because of backwards compatibility
    ... rel="foobar" is not even allowed

    Mark: It is if you have a @profile
    ... so there are docs with a profile, with non-HTML rels
    ... and quite valid therefore

    Ben: So the specific issue
    ... we do need a default prefix URL, alsoi that ends in a hash or
    slash

    Steven: Why does it matter?

    Mark: Because of round-tripping, which strictly RDF doesn't support
    ... but is a sort of standard practice
    ... in one case we would have the concept of xhtmlnext, as opposed
    to xhtml:next
    ... it is only convention

    Ralph: I like the idea of Shane's to use Apache redirecting to
    redirect xhtmlnext to something else

    Mark: Why do we care; we can add a hash without a problem
    ... We can add the relations to their own subnamespace
    ... otherwise just straight to the XHTML namespace

    <benadida> example [29]http://creativecommons.org/ns#

      [29] http://creativecommons.org/ns

    Ben: That is the CC namesapce

    <RalphS> Shane: XHTML already has things under xhtml/ so I would
    expect objections to the simple concatenation xhtmlnext

    <benadida> /1999/xhtml/ns#

    Mark: In the Modularization schemas we have 1999/xhtml/datatypes

    <benadida> /1999/xhtml/vocab#

    <benadida> /1999/xhtml/?#

    Mark: so we could have 1999/xhtml/vocab# or something

    Ben: I like the word vocab as being general
    ... anyone object?

    Shane: Mostly harmless

    <benadida> PROPOSE that we use 1999/xhtml/vocab# as the prefix for
    next, prev, etc...

    Ben: Deciding about nofollow is another issue

    Ralph: Second

    Ben: Opposed?

    Mark: We can't speak for the whole XHTML2 WG, but I think it is the
    best option
    ... +1 to it

    RESOLUTION: that we use 1999/xhtml/vocab# as the prefix for next,
    prev, etc..

    <ShaneM> New draft of rdfa-syntax is at
    [30]http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20070927/

      [30] http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-rdfa-syntax-20070927/

    Ben: This doesn't solve the issue of whether we should special-case
    the the legacy rels
    ... we'll treat that another week

    ADJOURN

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: Ben to add implementations page to RDFa.info [recorded
    in [31]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
    [NEW] ACTION: Ben to remind the WG reviewers about review for FtF
    [recorded in
    [32]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
    [NEW] ACTION: Shane to send a link to new editor's draft to Ben
    [recorded in
    [33]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]

    [PENDING] ACTION: Ben to look into Science Commons use case
    [recorded in
    [34]http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04]
    [PENDING] ACTION: Ben, Mark, Elias, and other implementors to add
    xml:lang support [recorded in
    [35]http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11]
    [PENDING] ACTION: Michael look for a more semantically correct
    predicate for tests 42-45 [recorded in
    [36]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
    [PENDING] ACTION: Michael make sure to confirm a design for checking
    that the ASK SPARQL queries evaluate (yes/no) [recorded in
    [37]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
    [PENDING] ACTION: Michael to create "Microformats done right --
    unambiguous taxonomies via RDF" on the wiki [recorded in
    [38]http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06]

      [34] http://www.w3.org/2006/12/11-htmltf-minutes.html#action04
      [35] http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action11
      [36] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action14
      [37] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/06-rdfa-minutes.html#action07
      [38] http://www.w3.org/2007/08/23-rdfa-minutes.html#action06

    [DONE] ACTION: Manu draft some partitioning language that is
    technology-neutral [recorded in
    [39]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]
    [DONE] ACTION: Shane to contact Chris Wilson [recorded in
    [40]http://www.w3.org/2007/09/27-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

      [39] http://www.w3.org/2007/09/20-rdfa-minutes.html#action14

    [End of minutes]
      _________________________________________________________
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