- From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:04:12 +0200
- To: Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@formsPlayer.com>
- Cc: W3C RDFa task force <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <46E6AE6C.2070407@w3.org>
Mark, I have given some thoughts but, after all, I decided to vote against your proposal. Sorry about that:-) The main issue I have is to avoid the generation of 'accidental' triples. The @rel attribute is not proper to RDFa and may and is used in other places in an XHTML file. The intention may _not_ be the generation of a triple but, in the scheme your propose, there is no way to avoid that. Eg, the <link> element use rel for a stylesheet; I am not sure it is relevant to generate a triple for the CSS file (certainly not without the user asking us to do it). Ie: a:b and :b are, in my view, the only two forms that we should accept... Ivan Mark Birbeck wrote: > Hello all, > > During the course of finishing off the Syntax document a couple of > issues have popped up. I'll deal with them in separate threads. > > This thread relates specifically to the way that we ensure that > mark-up like this yields the kind of triples we'd expect: > > <link rel="next" href="o" /> > > At the moment we say that some kind of preprocessor runs and that the > mark-up above is 'mapped' to this: > > <link rel="xh:next" href="o" /> > > This is fine, and if we're happy with that, we can just leave it. > However, there is another way to come at this, which I'll describe. > > Myself and Shane changed the CURIE definition recently so that *both* > the prefix and the colon were optional: > > [ [ prefix ] ':' ] reference > > This is so that all of the following are valid: > > a:b > :b > b > > We did this because the second format is needed in N3 and Turtle-based > languages such as SPARQL, whilst the third format is needed if we want > to be able to handle legacy QNames. > > I was therefore looking more closely at what exactly these three > different formats should mean since we don't have that defined clearly > in our specification. The most obvious route for the second format is > to say that it should use the current default namespace, making it > consistent with SPARQL, etc. > > However, there is no general practice for non-prefixed QNames--in some > situations the default namespace is used (such as in declarations of > type in XML Schema), and in some situations it is explicitly ignored > (such as when defining a template in XSLT). This means that we could > choose to use the default namespace, or define some other rule like > always using the XHTML namespace, or even the current value of [base]. > > An interesting thing comes about though, if we were to choose to use > the default namespace; returning to the syntax we had earlier: > > <link rel="next" href="o" /> > > we could obtain a predicate of 'xh:next' without having to do _any_ > preprocessing, but *only* if the default namespace was XHTML: > > <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"> > <head> > <title>...</title> > <link rel="next" href="o" /> > </head> > ... > </html> > > I like this approach since I think it gives future authors a lot of > flexibility. It also, quite by accident, provides a way to remove the > need for a lot of the preprocessing we have been discussing. For > example, one could mark-up OpenID using a layout like this: > > <link rel="openid.server" xmlns="http://openid.net/" > href="https://api.screenname.aol.com/auth/openidServer" /> > > <link rel="openid.delegate" xmlns="http://openid.net/" > href="http://openid.aol.com/wezfurlong" /> > > Note that instead of worrying about trying to make "openid." into some > kind of prefix, we simply use the full string as the reference. > > Anyway, there you have it. The choices seem to be: > > * have a preprocessing step to get at 'legacy' properties and > short-forms, such > as xh:next. In this case we'd still need to say what unprefixed CURIEs mean, > but wherever we choose would make no difference to the preprocessing step; > they could be in the default namespace, the current document, or some explit > namespace; > > * or, we say that CURIEs with no prefix--with or without the > colon--use the default > namespace, and then leverage this to cope with some of the legacy properties > like 'xh:next' and 'openid:openid.delegate' _without_ the need for > a preprocesing > step. > > Myself, I can go either way; I'd prefer the second solution, since I > think it would be quite neat if we only used the preprocessing step > when it is really necessary. This is because although the > preprocessing seems pretty benign, we've never really discussed things > like the fact that the preprocessor must operate across all of the > attributes, in a consistent way. For example, the value of 'next' > would need mapping in both @rel and @about, for the following > statements to work: > > <html xmlns:skos="http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/core#"> > <head> > <link rel="next" href="o" /> > . > . > . > <div about="[next]" instanceof="skos:Concept"> > <span property="skos:prefLabel">Next</span> > <div property="skos:definitionl"> > Refers to the next document in a linear sequence of documents. User > agents may choose to preload the "next" document, to reduce the > perceived load time. > </div> > </div> > > However, if the CURIEs were using the default namespace you can see > that this mark-up would 'just work'. > > Your thoughts and votes please. :) > > Regards, > > Mark > -- Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ PGP Key: http://www.ivan-herman.net/pgpkey.html FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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