- From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:57:49 +0100
- To: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
- Cc: RDFa <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <474D2D8D.1030707@w3.org>
Manu, to clarify one point in your mail. You say: > - @trel never causes the creation of a new bnode. @trel always has a > subject, if nothing else - it's the current document. Correct. > - @trev causes the creation of a new bnode, sometimes, but the results > are a bit confusing based on Ivan's explanation. This could be an > issue, such as in Test Case #51, if we are to have the same > functionality as @instanceof. Actually, this is _not_ what I had in mind. What I said is: the subject @trev is whatever is sent 'down' to the children. In the absence of any @rel/@rev on the element our current processing rules say that the inherited subject (or the value of @about) will be the one sent down. The @trev value would apply on that one if nothing else is around. In other words, @trel/@trev never creates new nodes, it just takes whatever is there. Sorry for the confusion. Ivan Manu Sporny wrote: > Ivan Herman wrote: >> - @rel's subject is either @about or the 'inherited' resource coming >> from the parent >> - @rev's subject is the resource sent 'down' to through the chaining >> (and taken into account, via inheritance, by the children) > > I took some time to look at how Ivan's @trel/@trev proposal would affect > the test cases. Overall, his proposal makes the issues that we've been > having with @instanceof easier to address. > > The following approved test cases would have to be changed based on > Ivan's @trel/@trev proposal: #49, #50, #52, #53 and #1001. > > #49 - @instanceof changes to @trel > #50 - @instanceof changes to @trev > #52 - @instanceof changes to @trev > #53 - @instanceof changes to @trev > #1001 - @instanceof changes to @trel > > The following on-hold test cases could be resolved based on Ivan's > @trel/@trev proposal: #46, #47, #48, and #51. > > #46 - @instanceof changes to @trev > #47 - @instanceof changes to @trev > #48 - @instanceof changes to @trel > #51 - @instanceof changes to @trel (possible issue with SPARQL?) > > Every test case seems to transition quite easily to Ivan's scheme and it > doesn't look like there would be a great deal of disagreement like there > is currently for @instanceof. Additionally, it would allow us to support > all of the use cases that Ben has outlined as being important. There > don't seem to be any nasty side-effects that I can see. > > A couple of observations that I don't know if Ivan intended or not: > > - @trel never causes the creation of a new bnode. @trel always has a > subject, if nothing else - it's the current document. > - @trev causes the creation of a new bnode, sometimes, but the results > are a bit confusing based on Ivan's explanation. This could be an > issue, such as in Test Case #51, if we are to have the same > functionality as @instanceof. > > While @trel never creating a new bnode is not an issue, @trev not > creating a new bnode at times might be an issue. From what I understand, > @instanceof will create a new bnode and start chaining in the following > instance: > > <body> > <p instanceof="foaf:Document" property="foaf:topic">John Doe</p> > </body> > > In the case above, the following triples should be created, per the > SPARQL in Test Case #51: > > <> <foaf:topic> "John Doe" . > _:bn0 a <foaf:Document> . > > Using Ivan's proposal, if we replace @instanceof with @trel, we get the > following triples: > > <> <foaf:topic> "John Doe" ; > a <foaf:Document> . > > If we replace @instanceof with @trev, we get the same triples, I think? > Is this wrong, Ivan? Does the following create a new bnode or not? > > <span trev="a:b" /> > > If not, how do we create a new bnode to start chaining? Or, more > precisely, what happens in this case: > > <body> > <p property="foaf:topic">John Doe > </p> > <span trev="foaf:Document" /> > </body> > > The confusion came in when you stated this: > >> <span about="#a" rel="foaf:knows" trev="foaf:Person"> >> yields >> <#a> foaf:knows [ rdf:type foaf:Person ]. > > and then followed it up with this: > >> Note that >> <span about="#a" trel="a:b"> >> and >> <span about="#a" trev="a:b"> >> yield, actually, the same triples because, according our rules, <#a> >> will be sent 'down' to the children. > > Those two rules seem to be in conflict with one another? For example, this: > > <span about="#a" trel="a:b"> > > would generate this > > <#a> a <a:b> . > > and > > <span about="#a" trev="a:b"> > > should generate this? > > _:bn0 a <a:b> . > > That's really the only issue I could find with Ivan's @trel/@trev > proposal so far. It's not a major issue, it just needs some clarification. > > -- manu > -- Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/ PGP Key: http://www.ivan-herman.net/pgpkey.html FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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