- From: Andy Seaborne <andy.seaborne@talis.com>
- Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 14:55:22 +0100
- To: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
- CC: public-rdf-dawg@w3.org
On 29/03/2010 5:24 PM, Eric Prud'hommeaux wrote:
...
> * Andy Seaborne<andy.seaborne@talis.com> [2010-03-29 15:54+0100]
...
>> Algebra example:
>>
>> Service(?s :p2 ?v2)
>> ==>
>> Service(<srvc> BGP(?s :p2 ?v2))
>>
>> "with a query Q and no default or named graphs."
>>
>> I think that means no FROM or FROM NAMED - correct?
>
> ahh, different intention. I updated the text to
>
> "with a query Q and no default-graph-uri or named-graph-uri (see
> SPARQL Protocol [SPROT] section 2.1.1.1)"
>
> and am field-testing it on you now. Is it clear?
Yes - and the query probably should not have FROM/FROM NAMED (where
woudl the names come from?) which makes it the SELECT that forms a
subquery. Which makes sense.
>> ** BINDINGS
>>
>> This area is less clear to me - it's very useful to have something
>> here but I'm not quite sure this is the right mechanism.
>
> I've found it convenient, as have a few others (Greg, and possibly
> Virtuoso, if they got around to it).
I understand the importance - it's the mechanism I'm unsure about.
[13] WhereClause ::= 'WHERE'? GroupGraphPattern BindingClause?
Don't you mean after SolutionModifier (e.g. ORDER BY, GROUP BY) or
streaming can't work.
>
>> It's another form of assignment.
>>
>> Is it the same as (the excessively verbose):
>>
>> {
>> SELECT ("Alice" AS ?given)
>> ("Anderson" AS ?family)
>> (?mbox AS<mailto:alice@example.com>)
>> } UNION {
>> SELECT ("Bob" AS ?given)
>> ("Robertson" AS ?family)
>> (?mbox AS<mailto:eve@example.com>)
>> } UNION { ... }
>
> Wow, I think it is. Neato.
Not neat - very, very ugly!
>
>> Probably better not to allow bNodes to be passed over the network.
>
> what's SELECT (_:Bob AS ?who) do?
Illegal.
SELECT (expression AS ?var)
expression can't mention a bNode by syntax.
> I think both would need to say that bnodes in this document (like any
> other RDF document) are scoped to the document, and are distinct from
> all other bnodes.
Do they serve any purpose? Being scoped to the query "document", I
can't see what they can be used for. You can't get them back in results
for example.
c.f. bNodes in CONSTRUCT template.
>
>> Suggest s/UNBOUND/_/ or something a liitle less heavy. "-"
>> The definition of BINDING has UNDEF
>
> any of these work for me. SQL of course uses "NULL", but then SQL uses
> "NULL" for lots of things.
And not quite the same :-)
>
>> * BINDING and Update:
>> This seems to overlap with INSERT DATA etc
>
> I don't know INSERT DATA. pointer?
Sent.
>
>> It is unrelated to federated query.
>>
>> The substutute operator might help in the definition:
>> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/docs/query-1.1/rq25.xml#defn_substitute
>
> thanks, that looks useful here; ping me when you flush it out.
Ack.
Andy
Received on Tuesday, 30 March 2010 13:55:58 UTC