- From: Steve Harris <steve.harris@garlik.com>
- Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 21:33:49 +0000
- To: Andy Seaborne <andy.seaborne@talis.com>
- Cc: SPARQL Working Group <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>
On 7 Mar 2010, at 17:42, Andy Seaborne wrote:
> ISSUE-53
>
> I propose the following to define ExprMultiSet:
>
> -------
>
> Let Ω be a partition.
>
> ExprMultiSet(Ω) =
> { eval(expr,μ) | μ in Ω such that eval(μ(expr)) is defined }
> UNION
> { e | μ in Ω such that eval(μ(expr)) is undefined }
>
> where "e" is some symbol that is distinct from all RDF terms.
>
> card[x]:
> if DISTINCT:
> card[x] = 1 if there exists μ in Ω such that x = eval(μ(expr))
> card[x] = 0 otherwise
> else
> card[x] = count of μ in Ω such that x = eval(μ(expr))
I find the reuse of the term ExprMultiset as a function very
confusing, but I think I understand the proposal.
The current draft is not as clear as it should be but:
AGGREGATE(ExprMultiset) on Ω results in Aggregation(GroupClause,
ExprMultiset, AGGREGATE, Ω)
So, by my understanding the end result of this proposal is:
Aggregation(GroupClause, ExprMultiset, func, Ω) =
{ merge(k, func(S) | (k, Ω') in Partition(GroupClause, Ω) }
where
S = { eval(exp,μ') | exp in ExprMultiset, μ' in Ω' such that
eval(exp,μ') is defined }
UNION
{ e | exp in ExprMultiset, μ' in Ω' such that eval(exp,μ') is
undefined }
But perhaps I've missed the point?
> --------
>
> "e" just records error evaluations.
>
> This is the most flexible definition. An alternative is
>
> ExprMultiset(Ω) =
> { eval(expr,μ) | μ in Ω such that eval(expr,μ) is defined }
>
> which is hard-coding dropping errors and unbounds during evaluation.
> But the aggregate can't know there were some errors.
Right. Do we have a usecase where this is important? I don't remember
offhand whether SQL passes NULLs to aggregates, other than COUNT(*),
but I think it doesn't.
> Another possibility is that a yes/no flag indicating a error was
> seen. But this might as well be the count of errors, which is
> equivalent to the flexible definition given.
Yes, somewhat. It complicates the definition of many of the aggregates
to some degree, but that's not a huge burden.
> By the way, this is in no way a recipe for implementation.
> Aggregation can be done over all groups in parallel during query
> execution.
>
>
>
> For the last publication, it was noted
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2009OctDec/0646.html
>
> Unbound and error are the same. The current design so far has it
> that any error means that the multiset is invalid and that group is
> not considered.
Right, this would tie us to a particular definition of COUNT(*), where
unbounds and errors are both counted. I don't have any reason to
prefer one definition over another.
> We didn't have time to propose a solid design to address ISSUE-53 -
> the potential design at the time of publication was that any error
> when calculating the ExprMultiset from a partition meant that
>
> SUM of {1, 2, unbound} is an error.
> COUNT of {1, 2, unbound} is an error.
>
> I don't think that is a useful form for COUNT(?x). It does seem to
> mean that COUNT(?x) is either COUNT(*) or error; it can't be
> anything else.
This is assuming that we don't take something like your second
definition, I think.
> COUNT(?x) can not be zero because zero arises when there are no ?x
> but there are solutions in the partition. If there are no solutions
> in the partition then there is no group key and no grouping happens.
>
> For each aggregate we can decide what happens about unbounds and
> errors.
>
> I would like to see:
>
> COUNT(*) = size of multiset.
> COUNT(DISTINCT *) = size of set after removing any e (i.e. skip
> undefs).
I find the punning of * (or DISTINCT) here a bit unnatural.
> COUNT(?x) = number of times ?x is defined in each group
> 0 <= COUNT(?x) <= COUNT(*)
>
> COUNT(DISTINCT ?x) = number of times ?x is uniquely defined in each
> group
>
> I'm less worried about SUM(?x) but I'd prefer that
>
> SUM(?x) = op:numeric-add of defined values of ?x, skips unbounds
>
> rather that the rigid form we currently have.
>
> Previously, one of the difficulties raised for this design was that
> the operation to add two numbers wasn't op:numeric-add because that
> could not cope the errors (there were related datatyping issues as
> well).
>
> With the definition of ExprMultiSet above, op:numeric-add can be
> used to define SUM. There is step between getting the ExprMultiSet
> and the calculation of aggregation. This step, for SUM (and COUNT(?
> x)), removes any errors.
>
> GROUP_CONCAT(?x) = concatenation
> and now GROUP_CONCAT of an empty set can be defined as "".
>
> -------------
> Some examples:
>
> Does anyone want to suggest we design to get different results in
> any of these cases?
>
>
> --Data:
>
> @prefix : <http://example/> .
>
> :x1 a :T .
> :x1 :p 1 .
> :x1 :p 2 .
>
> :x2 a :T .
> :x2 :p 9 .
>
> :x3 a :T .
> :x3 :p 5 .
> :x3 :q "x" .
>
> :x4 a :T .
> :x4 :q "z".
>
>
> --
>
>
> -- Query 1:
> 1 PREFIX : <http://example/>
> 2
> 3 SELECT ?x (count(*) AS ?C)
> 4 WHERE
> 5 { ?x <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> :T
> 6 OPTIONAL
> 7 { ?x :p ?v}
> 8 }
> 9 GROUP BY ?x
> 10 ORDER BY str(?x)
>
> -----------
> | x | C |
> ===========
> | :x1 | 2 |
> | :x2 | 1 |
> | :x3 | 1 |
> | :x4 | 1 |
> -----------
>
> -- Query 2:
>
> Change line 3 to:
> SELECT ?x (count(?v) AS ?C)
>
> -----------
> | x | C |
> ===========
> | :x1 | 2 |
> | :x2 | 1 |
> | :x3 | 1 |
> | :x4 | 0 |
> -----------
>
> -- Query 3:
>
> Change line 3 to:
> SELECT ?x (sum(?v) AS ?C)
>
> -----------
> | x | C |
> ===========
> | :x1 | 3 |
> | :x2 | 9 |
> | :x3 | 5 |
> | :x4 | 0 |
> -----------
>
> The :x4 row is zero because there were no valid numbers to add
> together.
Arguably SUM({}) is an error, c.f. MIN({}). I can live with 0 though.
I think the above all match what I would expect, but...
> -- Different query OPTIONAL part - now has ?p
>
> 1 PREFIX : <http://example/>
> 2
> 3 SELECT ?x (sum(?v) AS ?C)
> 4 WHERE
> 5 { ?x <http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#type> :T
> 6 OPTIONAL
> 7 { ?x ?any ?v}
> 8 }
> 9 GROUP BY ?x
> 10 ORDER BY str(?x)
>
> -----------
> | x | C |
> ===========
> | :x1 | 3 |
> | :x2 | 9 |
> | :x3 | 5 |
> | :x4 | 0 |
> -----------
>
> The case where ?v is "Z2 and "x" have been skipped.
For this one I would expect:
-----------
| x | C |
===========
| :x1 | 3 |
| :x2 | 9 |
-----------
I would expect the 3,9,5,0 result from
SELECT ?x (sum(xsd:decimal(?v)) AS ?C)
or, more explicitly
SELECT ?x (sum(COALESCE(xsd:decimal(?v), 0)) AS ?C)
But, I can see an argument that RDF data has a tendency to be scruffy,
so maybe users would expect this? However, it seems dangerous/
misleading.
I certainly want some way to know that I've tried to sum a string and
an integer.
SELECT ?x (SUM(?v) AS ?C) expands to:
:x1 SUM({1, 2})
:x2 SUM({9})
:x3 SUM({5, "x"})
:x4 SUM({"z"})
SELECT ?x (SUM(xsd:decimal(?v)) AS ?C) expands to
:x1 SUM({1.0, 2.0})
:x2 SUM({9.0})
:x3 SUM({5.0, e})
:x4 SUM({e})
Or same same without the e's if the second form of Aggregation is used.
- Steve
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