- From: Steve Harris <steve.harris@garlik.com>
- Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 20:26:11 +0100
- To: "public-rdf-dawg@w3.org Group" <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>
On 7 Oct 2009, at 19:09, Kjetil Kjernsmo wrote:
[snip]
> However, my main point is that we shouldn't have this discussion at
> all
> right now, this should have been done on a time-permitting basis only.
> There are so many good things that we have ruled out (I still mourn
> the
> loss of the fulltext index ;-) ), and this is such a marginal
> improvement
> over "pure REST + the Update Language", it shouldn't be a topic at
> all at
> this point.
That's not been our experience. Our store supports both the obvious
REST interface and the $endpoint + urlencode($graph) thing. I think we
probably use them both about equally, and all our updates are done
with PUT or POST.
However, among the other people using our store, I don't know of
anyone using the obvious REST approach. For whatever reason* people
seem to prefer the urlencode form. The half dozen or so 3rd party
libraries all seem to use the urlencode form.
The ?graph= thing would also work OK for us BTW.
* I guess it might be related to use the use reverse proxies, which
seem very popular. You can't really use the obvious REST interface
with a proxy.
> That is not to say that it isn't useful, it is (our current solution
> at
> work can't even do pure REST), and I can see that it is unfriendly
> to parse
> RDF/XML and serialize to Turtle to use the Language. But still, I
> think it
> should be on a time-permitting basis only, because we can spend huge
> amounts of time and delay the specs by arguing over this, even without
> being very much in disagreement (I don't think we are).
It's not just parsing RDF/XML into Turtle, you have to parse it into
SPARQL/Update syntax, extra {}s, PREFIX not @prefix, different qname
rules(?), so it's really another syntax form.
> So, how about a tiny little paragraph about this, and leave it at
> that,
> with a note to the effect that it is an "at risk" feature?
>
>> Consider the 'opacity axiom' [1] which (I believe) is often
>> associated
>> with claims that URIs which require an intermediate agent to parse
>> their
>> lexical form violates a best practice:
>
> Yup, but there is no intermediate agent in Steve's proposal, is there?
I don't think so.
- Steve
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