- From: Seaborne, Andy <andy.seaborne@hp.com>
- Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 17:48:31 +0000
- To: Ivan Mikhailov <imikhailov@openlinksw.com>
- CC: Axel Polleres <axel.polleres@deri.org>, "public-rdf-dawg@w3.org" <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ivan Mikhailov [mailto:imikhailov@openlinksw.com]
> Sent: 24 May 2009 21:05
> To: Seaborne, Andy
> Cc: Axel Polleres; public-rdf-dawg@w3.org
> Subject: RE: [ACTION-18] use case on !ASK in FILTERS to emulate negation
>
> > WHERE { ?x foaf:givenName ?name .
> > !EXISTS { ?x dc:date ?date }
> > }
>
> Maybe '!' should get 'NOT' synonym, for readability?
Yes. I've updated
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/Design:Negation
with some EXISTS / NOT EXISTs examples and included the grammar changes. I propose that we use NOT EXISTS rather than UNSAID but that's my personal style preference. I like the use of the same words as in FILTER (because NOT EXISTs used outside FILTER is still a filter, just one that does not move around).
The design page has both MINUS and EXISTs designs on it.
Simon/Eric - you gave do you have examples where either MINUS or EXISTS can not easily be used where EXISTS or MINUS can?
The distinguishing example is helpful - seem to me that MINUS needs a slightly artificial form to introduce ?name to be set-compatible with the preceding pattern. But is this an artefact of the example and is there a counter example of EXISTs having to be slightly artificial?
http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki/index.php?title=Design:Negation#Distinguish_MINUS_from_UNSAID
> In addition, I still think that EXISTS without FILTER around are a bit
> confusing, esp. if the next clause is OPTIONAL {...}.
I'm tending to both forms although underneath raw EXISTs because I thing using iut on its own is going to be common. Internally, it behaves just like a FILTER which is not moved to the end of a BGP.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Ivan.
Andy
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