- From: Eric Prud'hommeaux <eric@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 18:32:01 -0400
- To: RDF Data Access Working Group <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <20050818223201.GF3162@w3.org>
Minutes now available at <http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes> .
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W3C
Data Access Working Group
16 Aug 2005
See also: IRC log
Attendees
Present
ericP, SteveH, JanneS, DaveB, HowardK, Kendall_Clark, DanC,
Jeen_Broekstra
Regrets
Souripriya, Das, AndyS
Chair
DanC
Scribe
ericP
Contents
* Topics
1. Convene, take roll, review records and agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSe
p/0267.html
2. comment "Query forms should be resources, not operations"
3. Protocol testing
4. toward protocol last call
5. "SPARQL Query Results XML Format: XML 1.1" comment
6. BASE IRI resolution comment
7. issues#queryMimeType
8. LC status
* Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________________
Convene, take roll, review records and agenda
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg/2005JulSep/0267.html
<kendall> i find dave's amendment v. friendly :>
<DanC> RESOLVED: to cancel 23 Aug
<DanC> RESOLVED: to meet next 30 Aug, DaveB to scribe, DanC to chair
<kendall> i'm a willing but ultimately *bad* scribe!
<DanC> minutes 9 Aug
PROPOSE: accept minutes from 9 Aug
RESOLVED
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to investigate having CVS commits send to the WG
list [CONTINUED] [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
comment "Query forms should be resources, not operations"
<scribe> ACTION: LeeF to draft WSDL 1.1 for SPARQL thingy with AndyS
and Elias ETA 2 Sep [CONTINUED] [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action02]
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to ask WSDL WG to review WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2
SPARQL protocol stuff, once both are available [CONTINUED: [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action03]
<scribe> ACTION: KendallC to write another draft response to Mark
Baker's comment and send to WG for possible discussion [CONTINUED]
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action04]
Protocol testing
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to extract and machine-check examples
[CONTINUED] [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action05]
some progress. DanC has patches to send KendallC
(to get the doc well-formed)
<scribe> ACTION: SteveH to elaborate "CONSTRUCT with content
negotiation" into a test case [DONE] [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
Steve sent mail. Andy had some comments on reifying.
Steve's test case came from the [protocol] document
toward protocol last call
<scribe> ACTION: EricP to discuss conformance w.r.t. WSDL 2 with PLH
and send some notes to the WG, preferably including suggested text for
conformance. [DONE] [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action08]
<scribe> ACTION: KendallC to abstract/abbreviate http trace examples
[DONE] [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action09]
<scribe> ACTION: KendallC to fix d. ASK with simple RDF dataset...XML
is wrong. [DONE] [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action10]
<scribe> ACTION: SteveH to review proto-wd after Friday signal from
KC, hopefully in time for monday's agenda or tuesday's telcon [DONE]
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action11]
DanC: if the query is not a SPARLQ query, you can't return a 2xx
PROPOSE: rather than "a SPARQL service _must_ return MalformedQuery
for queries that are not SPARQL Query Strings"... for queries that are
not SPARQL Query Strings, you should return MalformedQuery and you
must not return 2xx
RESOLVED: objections: 0, abstentions: ericP, KendallC
<scribe> ACTION: EricP to review protocol document 1.58 [CONTINUED]
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action12]
alternate schema languages in WSDL2
<kendall> i got smarter in the past few days re: the issues I
mentioned last week: input/output serialization types
EricP:WSDL mandates XML Schema description of payload; when looking
thru those glasses, RDF is pretty much "any" ...
DanC: can you split GET/POST division on bindings?
KendallC: ... ... no ... ...
[sorry, didn't get all the reasons for "no"]
<DaveB> the http method is recorded on the binding operation not on
the ... (missed it)
<DaveB> (ugh, we *could* add an rdf/xml result subset for the sparql
query xml results - <rdfxml>...</>)
<DaveB> (this is just an awful idea, forget I mentioned it)
KendallC: everything after the '?' in the GET is what we want in the
POST
... WSDL2 doesn't let you describe that
... would would like to allow that as an input serialization type
... we want WSDL2 to allow application/x-form-encoded in the input
serialization
KendallC: 2 more probs:
<DanC> trying to assign: ACTION ?WHO: work with WSDL WG on moving
"style" from interface to binding
...: push fault serialization out of interface and into binding
... may be possible to get WG to accept list of response serialization
types
--> KendallC's mail to WSDL WG
Hugo's responses: --> 1 2
<DanC> ACTION: KC to work with WSDL WG on describing POST binding with
application/x-form-encoded in WSDL 2 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action13]
<DanC> ACTION: KC to work with WSDL WG on moving "style" from
interface to binding [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action14]
<DaveB> I'd support the WG supporting 0010, fwiw
<kendall> Oops, yeah, right, I pasted the wrong URI.
<DaveB> I'd like "we'd like to be able to describe our service more
accurately"
<DanC> PROPOSED: to endorse 0010 comment, "... but we'd like to be
able to describe our service more accurately than that ..."
RESOLUTION: no abstentions, no objections
"SPARQL Query Results XML Format: XML 1.1" comment
<scribe> ACTION: DaveB to see if PLH would be satisfied with
s/can/may/ in what he suggested [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action15] [DONE]
<DaveB> final email
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Aug/0
056.html
<DaveB> as described in
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-dawg-comments/2005Aug/0
052.html
RESOLUTION: no abstentions, no objections
BASE IRI resolution comment
<scribe> ACTION: ericP to add "don't normalize" to rq23 (perhaps
supplied in 0096) [DONE] [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action16]
<scribe> ACTION: DanC to respond to ericP's "don't normalize" text in
rq23 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action17]
http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/DataAccess/tests/data/i18n/manifest.ttl
has refs to normalization-0{2,3}
<DanC> ACTION: ericP to send [OK?] message to Bjoern [CONTINUES]
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action18]
<kendall> hmm, good email from hugo about multiple styles possible, so
we may not be in as bad a pickle as I thought
issues#queryMimeType
<DanC> ACTION: ericP to update rq23 to include the text of
rq23/mime.txt , including security concearns [CONTINUES] [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action19]
<scribe> ACTION: EricP to add test in 0096 to rq23 tests. label
"approved" and ref <http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-dawg-minutes> [DONE]
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action20]
<DanC> (postponing issues#valueTesting for various reasons)
<scribe> ACTION: DaveB to make 'XXI'^^:romanNumeral = 21 and points
nearby into test cases (or ask questions in email). [CONTINUED]
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action21]
seems done, but we won't discuss it during this meeting
LC status
<DanC> lc-status-report
DanC: re QA guidelines conformance, we have it on Andy's plate, but
would like another to work on it
<scribe> ACTION: ericP to thank Ivan for his comment
<http://www.w3.org/mid/42E116D8.1070908@w3.org> [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action22]
ADJOURN
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to ask WSDL WG to review WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2 SPARQL
protocol stuff, once both are available [CONTINUED: [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action03]
[NEW] ACTION: DanC to respond to ericP's "don't normalize" text in
rq23 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action17]
[NEW] ACTION: ericP to thank Ivan for his comment <<a
href="http://www.w3.org/mid/42E116D8.1070908@w3.org">http://www.w3.org
/mid/42E116D8.1070908@w3.org> [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action22]
[NEW] ACTION: KC to work with WSDL WG on describing POST binding with
application/x-form-encoded in WSDL 2 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action13]
[NEW] ACTION: KC to work with WSDL WG on moving "style" from interface
to binding [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action14]
[NEW] ACTION: SteveH to elaborate "CONSTRUCT with content negotiation"
into a test case [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action06]
[PENDING] ACTION: DanC to extract and machine-check examples [recorded
in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action05]
[PENDING] ACTION: DanC to investigate having CVS commits send to the
WG list [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: DaveB to make 'XXI'^^:romanNumeral = 21 and points
nearby into test cases (or ask questions in email). [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action21]
[PENDING] ACTION: EricP to review protocol document 1.58 [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action12]
[PENDING] ACTION: ericP to send [OK?] message to Bjoern [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action18]
[PENDING] ACTION: ericP to update rq23 to include the text of
rq23/mime.txt , including security concearns [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action19]
[PENDING] ACTION: KendallC to write another draft response to Mark
Baker's comment and send to WG for possible discussion [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: LeeF to draft WSDL 1.1 for SPARQL thingy with AndyS
and Elias ETA 2 Sep [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action02]
[DONE] ACTION: DaveB to see if PLH would be satisfied with s/can/may/
in what he suggested [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action15]
[DONE] ACTION: ericP to add "don't normalize" to rq23 (perhaps
supplied in 0096) [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action16]
[DONE] ACTION: EricP to add test in 0096 to rq23 tests. label
"approved" and ref <<a
href="http://www.w3.org/2005/07/26-dawg-minutes">http://www.w3.org/200
5/07/26-dawg-minutes> [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action20]
[DONE] ACTION: EricP to discuss conformance w.r.t. WSDL 2 with PLH and
send some notes to the WG, preferably including suggested text for
conformance. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: KendallC to abstract/abbreviate http trace examples
[recorded in http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action09]
[DONE] ACTION: KendallC to fix d. ASK with simple RDF dataset...XML is
wrong. [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action10]
[DONE] ACTION: SteveH to elaborate "CONSTRUCT with content
negotiation" into a test case [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action07]
[DONE] ACTION: SteveH to review proto-wd after Friday signal from KC,
hopefully in time for monday's agenda or tuesday's telcon [recorded in
http://www.w3.org/2005/08/16-dawg-minutes.html#action11]
[End of minutes]
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