Re: meeting record 15 Jun 2010

I cleaned up the minutes a bit.  See attached.
Ashok
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Subject: meeting record 15 Jun 2010

http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html

                                RDB2RDF Weekly Telecon

15 Jun 2010

   See also: [2]IRC log

Attendees

   Present
          LeeF, Ashok, Harry_Halpin, Seema_Sundara, Kingsley_Idehan,
          Souri, Alex, Juan, Boris, EricP, Orri, Dan

   Regrets
   Chair
          SV_MEETING_CHAIR

   Scribe
          boris

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Approval of minutes
         2. [5]Panel at SemTech
         3. [6]face to face meeting
         4. [7]f2f at SemTech
         5. [8]Direct Mapping
     * [9]Summary of Action Items
     __________________________________________________________________

   <juansequeda> running 5 min lates

   <MacTed> Ashok - s/Kingsley_Idehan/MacTed/

   <hhalpin> Juan?

   <juansequeda> back

   <Ashok> prsent+: Alex, Juan

   <ericP> hhalpin: type a summary

   <ericP> ... and continue like this

   <hhalpin> scribenick: boris

   <hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin to re-do scribelist to accurately reflect
   working group composition [recorded in
   [10]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action01]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Re-do scribelist to accurately reflect
   working group composition [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-06-22].

   <hhalpin> scribe: boris

   Ashok: I will be co-chair for the next few months

Approval of minutes

   Ashok: approval of minutes

   <hhalpin> [11]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html

   <hhalpin> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from 8th of June
   [12]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html

   <hhalpin> +1

   <juansequeda> +1

   +1

   ashok resolution

   <hhalpin> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 8th of June approved.
   [13]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html

   <Ashok> RESOLUTI ON: Minutes for June 8 approved w/o objection

   ashok RESOLUTION: Minutes for June 8 approved w/o objection

Panel at SemTech

   <hhalpin> ericP, richard, dan, juan, souri, ashok

   <Ashok> Harry will not be there

   <LeeF> I will be there as well.

   <hhalpin> now earlier I had a slightly different list

   <LeeF> When is the panel?

   <juansequeda> Wednesday

   <hhalpin> earlier we had:

   <LeeF> When on Wednesday? :)

   <hhalpin> souri, leeF, daniel, Juna, Eric, Orri

   ashok semtech Topic
   [14]http://semtech2010.semanticuniverse.com/sessionPop.cfm?confid=42&pr
   oposalid=3019

   <hhalpin> so I guess what I'm trying to figure out is....ashok, your
   definitely not htere.

   <hhalpin> Orri?

   <hhalpin> Souri, your definitely there.

   hhalpin who will be there?

   <hhalpin> correct?

   <LeeF> 11:30am on Wednesday?

   <MacTed> unknown attendance... hopeful

   <hhalpin> orri not on phone?

   <hhalpin> ivan is moderating.

   <LeeF> I will be there.

   <hhalpin> Orri is the only real unknown.

   <Souri> :-)

   hhalpin: will send the semtech people the update

   <hhalpin> ACTION: Send SemTech people an update once I hear Orri.
   [recorded in
   [15]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action02]

   <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Send

   <hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin to send SemTech people an update once I hear
   Orri. [recorded in
   [16]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action03]

   <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Send SemTech people an update once I
   hear Orri. [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-06-22].

   hhalpin: do you want to brainstorm this here?

   <LeeF> If I were in the audience, I think I'd want to hear about (a)
   use cases (b) practical experiences (c) potential different approaches
   (d) why a standard? (e) timing (f) open questions

   <hhalpin> I was hoping to get some tech feelings from the audience

   <hhalpin> such as do people want SQL to SPARQL mappings

   <hhalpin> 1) SQL to SPARQL mappings

   <Angela> (sorry I can not call in on the UK or FR bridge!)

   <LeeF> I think the audience would be perfectly happy to know about
   implementations, whether open source or commercial -- I think it's
   pretty safe that it won't turn into a product pitch session

   eric: representative of those companies (implementors?), he will
   appreaciate that ...

   <hhalpin> 2) XML or more turtle like language

   <Souri> audience will be wondering about the benefits and feasibility

   <hhalpin> 3) SPARQL CONSTRUCT, SQL Views, RIF for interoperability

   ashok: will be there at the panel?

   eric: we will probably hear some from openlink

   <LeeF> hhalpin, i'm skeptical that most of the audience will be swapped
   in to give informed feedback on that level of technical question

   hhalpin: need the exact number of participants
   ... some technical questions, sparql-sql-r2rml

   <hhalpin> glad to have your opinion orri!

   <hhalpin> I was just thinking that we should ask the audience if they
   have any preference.

   hhalpin: if people have questions, send email to me ... before friday
   ... put them on the wiki

   <hhalpin> everyone should put questions for ivan for panel on wiki

   <hhalpin> I'll make the wiki page now.

   <hhalpin> hold on one sec...

   ashok: is this ok hhalpin?

   hhalpin: ok

   ashok: F2F meeting

face to face meeting

f2f at SemTech

   ashok: let's hear eric about the logistitcs

   eric: a room no pay for, ascreen, network may cost some money, a small
   number of people, is this sufficient?,

   ashok: Room at Hilton, where?

   eric: do not anything for network

   ashok: would you be able to send an email today with the details?

   <Souri> Hilton Union Square: Room#? Time? 8-5pm? (with some breaks)

   ashok; earlier better

   ashok: starting time?
   ... next topic A direct mapping of Relational data to RDF
   ... having this valuavle F2F we will have progress

   <Souri> +1 to ashok about detailed discussion about the two main
   approaches

   <Souri> sure

   ashok: one question, souri and juan are ok with sql approach

   ?

   <juansequeda>
   [17]http://userweb.cs.utexas.edu/~jsequeda/rdb2rdf/DirectMappingRules.t
   xt

   <Souri> I will be glad (actually eager) to speak

   ashok: what about the other approach?

   eric: he can do it

   ashok: sql based approach, rdf based approach and direct mapping, what
   else?
   ... send a tentative agenda

   hhalpin: next F2F in lyon november?
   ... TPAC or ISWC?

   ashok: when is the iswc?

   <hhalpin> Nov 7-11

   <hhalpin> TPAC Lyon France 1-5th Nov.

   <hhalpin> ISWC is Shanghai

   <hhalpin> Li Ma can make it...

   <LeeF> In the SPARQL WG, we've had a lot of success with 2-location f2f
   meetings linked with video conferencing software

   juan: where most the people are located?

   <hhalpin> I think it's mostly USA based, with a significant Europe
   minority.

   <LeeF> they are *almost* as good as having everyone in one place, and a
   lot easier to setup

   <hhalpin> Planning to TPAC 2010?

   <ericP> +tpac -iswc

   <Souri> we should emulate SPARQL f2f

   <Ashok> Who is going to be at TPA?C?

   <hhalpin> +1

   <Ashok> +!

   <juansequeda> -tpac +iswc

   <LeeF> I don't expect to be at TPAC, but there's a slim chance.

   <Souri> as Lee said

   <Ashok> +!

   <Ashok> +1

   <hhalpin> ISWC 2010?

   <juansequeda> +1

   <Angela> +1

   <LeeF> I don't expect to be at ISWC, but there's a slim chance. :-)

   <Souri> I still favor the sparql group's 2-location solution for f2f

   ashok: Angela, where you going to be? iswc?

   <Zakim> hhalpin, you wanted to ask about TPAC 2010 vs ISWC for next f2f

   <nunolopes> +1 ISWC, hopefully :)

   <LeeF> "share the pain" :-)

   <LeeF> We started 7am at our first f2f

   ashok: what did you do for the video connection?

   leef: no technical details, standard video protocols, sound goes well,
   it was a lot easy to organize

   ashok: do we have a videoconference room at oracle?

   juansequeda: maybe at UT

   <hhalpin> I'm happy with a small face-to-face at ISWC 2010 and then a
   USA video conf - how about that?

   <Zakim> confirm, you wanted to comment on ISWC with video conferencing

   ashok: let's talk about during august

   hhalpin: ok, during august

   <LeeF> ...except the SPARQL WG isn't currently planning to meet at TPAC
   :)

Direct Mapping

   <Ashok> Richard recommended set theoretic approach

   <ericP> [18]http://jay.w3.org/~eric/directGraph/schema

   eric: volunteer juan

   <Ashok> ... as editor

   thanks ashok

   ashok: published as a working draft

   eric: yes,

   <juansequeda>
   [19]http://userweb.cs.utexas.edu/~jsequeda/rdb2rdf/DirectMappingRules.t
   xt

   juan: is not confortable at the moment, logic is not right, syntax does
   not make sense
   ... is preparing the same thing that eric is doing, juan finish these
   rules today
   ... this is not juan system, is a logically corrected system
   ... not rush on this, let's discus this in F2F
   ... why 2 documents?

   eric: one the rdf, the other the schema that describes the rdf
   ... different audiences ...

   juan: they are semantically the same, why one doc with 2 sections

   eric: how having the schema help us define the language?

   juan: the schema is also a graph ...

   eric: a graph that describes another graph
   ... for instance sparql wg split the documents as well, he is just
   following that

   <Zakim> hhalpin, you wanted to ask re confirming and to ask about
   direct mapping requirement

   hhalpin: put an action before we publish ...

   <hhalpin> 1) Just e-mail Perez and Marcelo to check semantics also
   before we hit FPWD

   <hhalpin> although yes, of course we really need to publish more often.

   <Ashok> +1

   <hhalpin> 2) Also, we do have a direct mapping

   juansequeda: again, do not rush on this

   marcelo: agree with check the semantics

   eric: datalog o set theoric for this?

   <Souri> let us discuss this at F2F (if time permits)

   ashok: anything else?
   ... how handle the minutes?

   <hhalpin> scribe should mail them out

   <hhalpin> to list

   <hhalpin> trackbot, end meeting

   <hhalpin> I've been adding them to the homepage as soon as I can get
   around to it.

   ashok: would you pls send this to the WG?

   <hhalpin> the key is to e-mail them to WG.

   <hhalpin> good luck everyone, wish I was there!

   juansequeda: who will be earlier on saturday?

   apologies for the scribing

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: hhalpin to re-do scribelist to accurately reflect working
   group composition [recorded in
   [20]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action01]
   [NEW] ACTION: hhalpin to send SemTech people an update once I hear
   Orri. [recorded in
   [21]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action03]
   [NEW] ACTION: Send SemTech people an update once I hear Orri. [recorded
   in [22]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action02]

   [End of minutes]
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References

   1. http://www.w3.org/
   2. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-irc
   3. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#agenda
   4. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#item01
   5. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#item02
   6. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#item03
   7. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#item04
   8. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#item05
   9. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#ActionSummary
  10. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action01
  11. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
  12. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
  13. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
  14. http://semtech2010.semanticuniverse.com/sessionPop.cfm?confid=42&proposalid=3019
  15. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action02
  16. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action03
  17. http://userweb.cs.utexas.edu/~jsequeda/rdb2rdf/DirectMappingRules.txt
  18. http://jay.w3.org/~eric/directGraph/schema
  19. http://userweb.cs.utexas.edu/~jsequeda/rdb2rdf/DirectMappingRules.txt
  20. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action01
  21. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action03
  22. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action02
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-ericP