Re: meeting record 15 Jun 2010

I apologize for today meeting. I couldn't make on time.  

Alex


On 2010-06-15, at 7:27 PM, ashok malhotra wrote:

> I cleaned up the minutes a bit.  See attached.
> Ashok
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: eric@w3.org
> To: public-rdb2rdf-wg@w3.org
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:07:57 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
> Subject: meeting record 15 Jun 2010
> 
> http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
> 
>                                RDB2RDF Weekly Telecon
> 
> 15 Jun 2010
> 
>   See also: [2]IRC log
> 
> Attendees
> 
>   Present
>          LeeF, Ashok, Harry_Halpin, Seema_Sundara, Kingsley_Idehan,
>          Souri, Alex, Juan, Boris, EricP, Orri, Dan
> 
>   Regrets
>   Chair
>          SV_MEETING_CHAIR
> 
>   Scribe
>          boris
> 
> Contents
> 
>     * [3]Topics
>         1. [4]Approval of minutes
>         2. [5]Panel at SemTech
>         3. [6]face to face meeting
>         4. [7]f2f at SemTech
>         5. [8]Direct Mapping
>     * [9]Summary of Action Items
>     __________________________________________________________________
> 
>   <juansequeda> running 5 min lates
> 
>   <MacTed> Ashok - s/Kingsley_Idehan/MacTed/
> 
>   <hhalpin> Juan?
> 
>   <juansequeda> back
> 
>   <Ashok> prsent+: Alex, Juan
> 
>   <ericP> hhalpin: type a summary
> 
>   <ericP> ... and continue like this
> 
>   <hhalpin> scribenick: boris
> 
>   <hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin to re-do scribelist to accurately reflect
>   working group composition [recorded in
>   [10]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action01]
> 
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-64 - Re-do scribelist to accurately reflect
>   working group composition [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-06-22].
> 
>   <hhalpin> scribe: boris
> 
>   Ashok: I will be co-chair for the next few months
> 
> Approval of minutes
> 
>   Ashok: approval of minutes
> 
>   <hhalpin> [11]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
> 
>   <hhalpin> PROPOSAL: Approve minutes from 8th of June
>   [12]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
> 
>   <hhalpin> +1
> 
>   <juansequeda> +1
> 
>   +1
> 
>   ashok resolution
> 
>   <hhalpin> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 8th of June approved.
>   [13]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
> 
>   <Ashok> RESOLUTI ON: Minutes for June 8 approved w/o objection
> 
>   ashok RESOLUTION: Minutes for June 8 approved w/o objection
> 
> Panel at SemTech
> 
>   <hhalpin> ericP, richard, dan, juan, souri, ashok
> 
>   <Ashok> Harry will not be there
> 
>   <LeeF> I will be there as well.
> 
>   <hhalpin> now earlier I had a slightly different list
> 
>   <LeeF> When is the panel?
> 
>   <juansequeda> Wednesday
> 
>   <hhalpin> earlier we had:
> 
>   <LeeF> When on Wednesday? :)
> 
>   <hhalpin> souri, leeF, daniel, Juna, Eric, Orri
> 
>   ashok semtech Topic
>   [14]http://semtech2010.semanticuniverse.com/sessionPop.cfm?confid=42&pr
>   oposalid=3019
> 
>   <hhalpin> so I guess what I'm trying to figure out is....ashok, your
>   definitely not htere.
> 
>   <hhalpin> Orri?
> 
>   <hhalpin> Souri, your definitely there.
> 
>   hhalpin who will be there?
> 
>   <hhalpin> correct?
> 
>   <LeeF> 11:30am on Wednesday?
> 
>   <MacTed> unknown attendance... hopeful
> 
>   <hhalpin> orri not on phone?
> 
>   <hhalpin> ivan is moderating.
> 
>   <LeeF> I will be there.
> 
>   <hhalpin> Orri is the only real unknown.
> 
>   <Souri> :-)
> 
>   hhalpin: will send the semtech people the update
> 
>   <hhalpin> ACTION: Send SemTech people an update once I hear Orri.
>   [recorded in
>   [15]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action02]
> 
>   <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Send
> 
>   <hhalpin> ACTION: hhalpin to send SemTech people an update once I hear
>   Orri. [recorded in
>   [16]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action03]
> 
>   <trackbot> Created ACTION-65 - Send SemTech people an update once I
>   hear Orri. [on Harry Halpin - due 2010-06-22].
> 
>   hhalpin: do you want to brainstorm this here?
> 
>   <LeeF> If I were in the audience, I think I'd want to hear about (a)
>   use cases (b) practical experiences (c) potential different approaches
>   (d) why a standard? (e) timing (f) open questions
> 
>   <hhalpin> I was hoping to get some tech feelings from the audience
> 
>   <hhalpin> such as do people want SQL to SPARQL mappings
> 
>   <hhalpin> 1) SQL to SPARQL mappings
> 
>   <Angela> (sorry I can not call in on the UK or FR bridge!)
> 
>   <LeeF> I think the audience would be perfectly happy to know about
>   implementations, whether open source or commercial -- I think it's
>   pretty safe that it won't turn into a product pitch session
> 
>   eric: representative of those companies (implementors?), he will
>   appreaciate that ...
> 
>   <hhalpin> 2) XML or more turtle like language
> 
>   <Souri> audience will be wondering about the benefits and feasibility
> 
>   <hhalpin> 3) SPARQL CONSTRUCT, SQL Views, RIF for interoperability
> 
>   ashok: will be there at the panel?
> 
>   eric: we will probably hear some from openlink
> 
>   <LeeF> hhalpin, i'm skeptical that most of the audience will be swapped
>   in to give informed feedback on that level of technical question
> 
>   hhalpin: need the exact number of participants
>   ... some technical questions, sparql-sql-r2rml
> 
>   <hhalpin> glad to have your opinion orri!
> 
>   <hhalpin> I was just thinking that we should ask the audience if they
>   have any preference.
> 
>   hhalpin: if people have questions, send email to me ... before friday
>   ... put them on the wiki
> 
>   <hhalpin> everyone should put questions for ivan for panel on wiki
> 
>   <hhalpin> I'll make the wiki page now.
> 
>   <hhalpin> hold on one sec...
> 
>   ashok: is this ok hhalpin?
> 
>   hhalpin: ok
> 
>   ashok: F2F meeting
> 
> face to face meeting
> 
> f2f at SemTech
> 
>   ashok: let's hear eric about the logistitcs
> 
>   eric: a room no pay for, ascreen, network may cost some money, a small
>   number of people, is this sufficient?,
> 
>   ashok: Room at Hilton, where?
> 
>   eric: do not anything for network
> 
>   ashok: would you be able to send an email today with the details?
> 
>   <Souri> Hilton Union Square: Room#? Time? 8-5pm? (with some breaks)
> 
>   ashok; earlier better
> 
>   ashok: starting time?
>   ... next topic A direct mapping of Relational data to RDF
>   ... having this valuavle F2F we will have progress
> 
>   <Souri> +1 to ashok about detailed discussion about the two main
>   approaches
> 
>   <Souri> sure
> 
>   ashok: one question, souri and juan are ok with sql approach
> 
>   ?
> 
>   <juansequeda>
>   [17]http://userweb.cs.utexas.edu/~jsequeda/rdb2rdf/DirectMappingRules.t
>   xt
> 
>   <Souri> I will be glad (actually eager) to speak
> 
>   ashok: what about the other approach?
> 
>   eric: he can do it
> 
>   ashok: sql based approach, rdf based approach and direct mapping, what
>   else?
>   ... send a tentative agenda
> 
>   hhalpin: next F2F in lyon november?
>   ... TPAC or ISWC?
> 
>   ashok: when is the iswc?
> 
>   <hhalpin> Nov 7-11
> 
>   <hhalpin> TPAC Lyon France 1-5th Nov.
> 
>   <hhalpin> ISWC is Shanghai
> 
>   <hhalpin> Li Ma can make it...
> 
>   <LeeF> In the SPARQL WG, we've had a lot of success with 2-location f2f
>   meetings linked with video conferencing software
> 
>   juan: where most the people are located?
> 
>   <hhalpin> I think it's mostly USA based, with a significant Europe
>   minority.
> 
>   <LeeF> they are *almost* as good as having everyone in one place, and a
>   lot easier to setup
> 
>   <hhalpin> Planning to TPAC 2010?
> 
>   <ericP> +tpac -iswc
> 
>   <Souri> we should emulate SPARQL f2f
> 
>   <Ashok> Who is going to be at TPA?C?
> 
>   <hhalpin> +1
> 
>   <Ashok> +!
> 
>   <juansequeda> -tpac +iswc
> 
>   <LeeF> I don't expect to be at TPAC, but there's a slim chance.
> 
>   <Souri> as Lee said
> 
>   <Ashok> +!
> 
>   <Ashok> +1
> 
>   <hhalpin> ISWC 2010?
> 
>   <juansequeda> +1
> 
>   <Angela> +1
> 
>   <LeeF> I don't expect to be at ISWC, but there's a slim chance. :-)
> 
>   <Souri> I still favor the sparql group's 2-location solution for f2f
> 
>   ashok: Angela, where you going to be? iswc?
> 
>   <Zakim> hhalpin, you wanted to ask about TPAC 2010 vs ISWC for next f2f
> 
>   <nunolopes> +1 ISWC, hopefully :)
> 
>   <LeeF> "share the pain" :-)
> 
>   <LeeF> We started 7am at our first f2f
> 
>   ashok: what did you do for the video connection?
> 
>   leef: no technical details, standard video protocols, sound goes well,
>   it was a lot easy to organize
> 
>   ashok: do we have a videoconference room at oracle?
> 
>   juansequeda: maybe at UT
> 
>   <hhalpin> I'm happy with a small face-to-face at ISWC 2010 and then a
>   USA video conf - how about that?
> 
>   <Zakim> confirm, you wanted to comment on ISWC with video conferencing
> 
>   ashok: let's talk about during august
> 
>   hhalpin: ok, during august
> 
>   <LeeF> ...except the SPARQL WG isn't currently planning to meet at TPAC
>   :)
> 
> Direct Mapping
> 
>   <Ashok> Richard recommended set theoretic approach
> 
>   <ericP> [18]http://jay.w3.org/~eric/directGraph/schema
> 
>   eric: volunteer juan
> 
>   <Ashok> ... as editor
> 
>   thanks ashok
> 
>   ashok: published as a working draft
> 
>   eric: yes,
> 
>   <juansequeda>
>   [19]http://userweb.cs.utexas.edu/~jsequeda/rdb2rdf/DirectMappingRules.t
>   xt
> 
>   juan: is not confortable at the moment, logic is not right, syntax does
>   not make sense
>   ... is preparing the same thing that eric is doing, juan finish these
>   rules today
>   ... this is not juan system, is a logically corrected system
>   ... not rush on this, let's discus this in F2F
>   ... why 2 documents?
> 
>   eric: one the rdf, the other the schema that describes the rdf
>   ... different audiences ...
> 
>   juan: they are semantically the same, why one doc with 2 sections
> 
>   eric: how having the schema help us define the language?
> 
>   juan: the schema is also a graph ...
> 
>   eric: a graph that describes another graph
>   ... for instance sparql wg split the documents as well, he is just
>   following that
> 
>   <Zakim> hhalpin, you wanted to ask re confirming and to ask about
>   direct mapping requirement
> 
>   hhalpin: put an action before we publish ...
> 
>   <hhalpin> 1) Just e-mail Perez and Marcelo to check semantics also
>   before we hit FPWD
> 
>   <hhalpin> although yes, of course we really need to publish more often.
> 
>   <Ashok> +1
> 
>   <hhalpin> 2) Also, we do have a direct mapping
> 
>   juansequeda: again, do not rush on this
> 
>   marcelo: agree with check the semantics
> 
>   eric: datalog o set theoric for this?
> 
>   <Souri> let us discuss this at F2F (if time permits)
> 
>   ashok: anything else?
>   ... how handle the minutes?
> 
>   <hhalpin> scribe should mail them out
> 
>   <hhalpin> to list
> 
>   <hhalpin> trackbot, end meeting
> 
>   <hhalpin> I've been adding them to the homepage as soon as I can get
>   around to it.
> 
>   ashok: would you pls send this to the WG?
> 
>   <hhalpin> the key is to e-mail them to WG.
> 
>   <hhalpin> good luck everyone, wish I was there!
> 
>   juansequeda: who will be earlier on saturday?
> 
>   apologies for the scribing
> 
> Summary of Action Items
> 
>   [NEW] ACTION: hhalpin to re-do scribelist to accurately reflect working
>   group composition [recorded in
>   [20]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action01]
>   [NEW] ACTION: hhalpin to send SemTech people an update once I hear
>   Orri. [recorded in
>   [21]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action03]
>   [NEW] ACTION: Send SemTech people an update once I hear Orri. [recorded
>   in [22]http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action02]
> 
>   [End of minutes]
>     __________________________________________________________________
> 
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> References
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>   1. http://www.w3.org/
>   2. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-irc
>   3. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#agenda
>   4. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#item01
>   5. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#item02
>   6. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#item03
>   7. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#item04
>   8. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#item05
>   9. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#ActionSummary
>  10. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action01
>  11. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
>  12. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
>  13. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/08-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
>  14. http://semtech2010.semanticuniverse.com/sessionPop.cfm?confid=42&proposalid=3019
>  15. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action02
>  16. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action03
>  17. http://userweb.cs.utexas.edu/~jsequeda/rdb2rdf/DirectMappingRules.txt
>  18. http://jay.w3.org/~eric/directGraph/schema
>  19. http://userweb.cs.utexas.edu/~jsequeda/rdb2rdf/DirectMappingRules.txt
>  20. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action01
>  21. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action03
>  22. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html#action02
>  23. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
>  24. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/
>  25. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/
>  26. http://www.w3.org/2010/06/15-rdb2rdf-minutes.html
>  27. http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribedoc.htm
> 
> -- 
> -ericP
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