- From: Ralph Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2021 16:56:33 -0400
- To: Léonie Watson <lwatson@tetralogical.com>, Rachael Bradley Montgomery <rachael@accessiblecommunity.org>
- Cc: "public-pwe@w3.org" <public-pwe@w3.org>
On 2021-03-30 03:42 PM, Léonie Watson wrote: > + PWE (since IDCG merged with PWE). > > Rachel, > > Thank you for asking us about this. Unfortunately, PWE met today and > will not for another two weeks, so it's unlikely that we'll be able to > provide any useful guidance before Thursday. > > > Léonie. > > On 30/03/2021 19:25, Rachael Bradley Montgomery wrote: >> Hello again, >> >> Michael recommended I add Tzviya to this question as well, which I've >> done as well as adding Michael. >> >> I welcome any thoughts on this though I would like to avoid delaying >> the publication of Making Content Usable if possible. >> >> Thank you all, >> >> Rachael >> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2021 at 2:22 PM Rachael Bradley Montgomery >> <rachael@accessiblecommunity.org >> <mailto:rachael@accessiblecommunity.org>> wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> The Coga taskforce included Tal, a gender neutral persona, in the >> persona set in Making Content Usable. We also included a statement >> "Tal likes to be referred to by name (no pronouns) or as >> they/them/theirs." We leaned heavily on using Tal's name with a few >> pronouns mixed in. We did not include this preference statement in >> any other persona. >> >> The AGWG has weighed in suggesting that we remove all pronouns from >> the Tal persona along with the pronoun preference statement. >> The persona would only refer to Tal as Tal. The reasoning is that it >> would aid in translation and understanding within a worldwide >> audience while still keeping a gender neutral persona in the set. As an individual still very much trying to become better informed in this area it seems to me that this question of translating culturally-sensitive language is one W3C should not side step. I found the following resource in the IDCG reading list informative: Pronouns: Why Do They Matter? https://www.sutori.com/story/pronouns-why-do-they-matter--z4tezeXC2EGCtecfeD14DnXi That resource does not even hint at the translation challenge. But certainly it's as much a social error to incorrectly translate a gendered pronoun as it is to mistakenly use an English one, even if one is prepared to be more forgiving in the former case. If there's no clear answer in the community yet, I'm inclined to encourage AGWG to publish with Tal's pronouns as a use case to seed a wider discussion when translators ponder what best to do. -Ralph (he/him, and a still-learning person) >> A >> number of other options were discussed but that suggestion had the >> most backing though not unanimous. >> >> COGA would like to resolve this question at Thursday's COGA meeting >> and would like guidance from IDCG. If possible, would you let us >> know your thoughts or guidance before Thursday? I realize this is a >> very short turn around but I'm hoping you have an existing resource >> that W3 uses for this that you can point me to. If that is not >> possible, would you let us know when you would be able to respond? >> >> If it helps to provide context, you can read the minutes from >> today's AG meeting <https://www.w3.org/2021/03/30-ag-minutes.htm> >> Here is the link to the Tal persona that went to review >> >> <https://raw.githack.com/w3c/coga/consistency_checks/content-usable/index.html#tal-a-student-who-has-dyslexia-and-impaired-eye-hand-coordination>. >> >> >> >> Thank you so much for any guidance or insights you can provide. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Rachael >> -- Rachael Montgomery, PhD >> Director, Accessible Community >> rachael@accessiblecommunity.org >> <mailto:rachael@accessiblecommunity.org> >> >> "I will paint this day with laughter; >> I will frame this night in song." >> - Og Mandino >> >> >> >> -- >> Rachael Montgomery, PhD >> Director, Accessible Community >> rachael@accessiblecommunity.org <mailto:rachael@accessiblecommunity.org> >> >> "I will paint this day with laughter; >> I will frame this night in song." >> - Og Mandino >> >
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