Re: Epub package for MiniApp?

Hi Tzviya,

Because most of the work has been transferred to the MiniApps WG 
(https://github.com/w3c/miniapp), I think we can discuss it in 
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues. English discussions are 
of course welcome (most of our meetings and documents are in English).

Here are some related discussions and documents, which you may find 
useful: 
https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues/7#issuecomment-792125210

~xfq

On 2021-03-09 22:44, Siegman, Tzviya wrote:
> Would you like to raise this with the Chinese Web IG
> (https://www.w3.org/2018/chinese-web-ig/), or do you need more time to
> think it through? I would need Zheng’s help, since I don’t speak
> Chinese.
> 
> Tzviya Siegman
> 
> Information Standards Principal
> 
> Wiley
> 
> 201-748-6884
> 
> tsiegman@wiley.com
> 
> From: matt.garrish@gmail.com <matt.garrish@gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 9:41 AM
> To: 'Leonard Rosenthol' <lrosenth@adobe.com>; 'Lars Wallin'
> <lars@colibrio.com>; 'Zheng Xu' <zhengxu7806@gmail.com>
> Cc: 'W3C Publishing Community Group' <public-publishingcg@w3.org>;
> public-chinese-web@w3.org
> Subject: RE: Epub package for MiniApp?
> 
> ⛔
> 
> This is an external email.
> 
>> I believe that OCF started life at Adobe and was provided to the
> IDPF for use in EPUB and was also licensed back to Adobe, where we
> continue to use a variant of it called UCF
> 
> Ah, okay, I’ll defer to your knowledge of those particulars!
> 
> My understanding was mostly derived from moving 2.0.1 to 3.0 where the
> only mentions are of building on and being backward compatible with
> ODF.
> 
> Matt
> 
> From: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>
> Sent: March 9, 2021 9:58 AM
> To: matt.garrish@gmail.com; 'Lars Wallin' <lars@colibrio.com>; 'Zheng
> Xu' <zhengxu7806@gmail.com>
> Cc: 'W3C Publishing Community Group' <public-publishingcg@w3.org>;
> public-chinese-web@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Epub package for MiniApp?
> 
> My understanding of the history here is quite different, Matt.
> 
> I believe that OCF started life at Adobe and was provided to the IDPF
> for use in EPUB and was also licensed back to Adobe, where we continue
> to use a variant of it called UCF (Universal Container Format) to
> package up all sorts of things…
> 
> However, I do agree with you that OCF has been refocused to be EPUB
> specific and should remain such.  There are many other ZIP-based open
> standard package formats to choose from if someone needs one.
> 
> Leonard
> 
> From: "matt.garrish@gmail.com" <matt.garrish@gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 8:34 AM
> To: 'Lars Wallin' <lars@colibrio.com>, 'Zheng Xu'
> <zhengxu7806@gmail.com>
> Cc: 'W3C Publishing Community Group' <public-publishingcg@w3.org>,
> "public-chinese-web@w3.org" <public-chinese-web@w3.org>
> Subject: RE: Epub package for MiniApp?
> Resent-From: <public-publishingcg@w3.org>
> Resent-Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 8:33 AM
> 
> … someone will correct me if I'm wrong 😉
> 
> Okay, I’ll take the bait…
> 
> OCF was not a separate format that was adapted for EPUB, but an
> implementation for EPUB based on ODF’s packaging that was designed
> to also be usable for other formats (primarily as a future replacement
> for ODF).
> 
> The idea of it being a generic container was scrapped with 3.0,
> though, as it never panned out and it was a source of confusion about
> why other formats could be bundled together in an epub publication.
> 
> So as of the 3.0 revision, OCF requires a reference to an EPUB package
> document in the container file, and subsequently was tightened even
> further to only referencing package documents.
> 
> You could use OCF 2.0.1, of course, as it doesn’t require a specific
> content type, but even beside its age it might be confusingly
> publication-centric for an app spec. What they’ve defined looks not
> that dissimilar from LPF [5], except that again is bound to
> publications.
> 
> Matt
> 
> From: Lars Wallin <lars@colibrio.com>
> Sent: March 7, 2021 3:47 AM
> To: Zheng Xu <zhengxu7806@gmail.com>
> Cc: W3C Publishing Community Group <public-publishingcg@w3.org>;
> public-chinese-web@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Epub package for MiniApp?
> 
> Hi Zheng 👋
> 
> The EPUB OCF is really a straight implementation of the Open Container
> Format, which was designed an a generic container format. I think it
> was a pre-existing format, someone will correct me if I'm wrong 😉
> 
> Anyway, what I mean to say is that the OCF should work fine for many
> types of content.
> 
> I need to do some reading on the MiniApp concept 🙂
> 
> Ciao 👋
> 
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2021, 18:08 Zheng Xu, <zhengxu7806@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Reading this spec
>> https://www.w3.org/TR/mini-app-white-paper/#constructor [1] I can
>> not help
>> wondering if MiniApp could adopt Epub as container since we are both
>> 
>> zipped packages.
>> 
>> I filed an issue for now
>> https://github.com/w3c/mini-app-white-paper/issues/2 [2] just for
>> record.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> --
>> Zheng Xu
>> 
>> W3C: https://www.w3.org/users/129468 [3]
>> Github: https://github.com/Jeffxz [4]
> 
> 
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