Re: [EPUB Roadmap] EPUB3 Justification call

Thanks Ric!

We're okay with those test files (if CSS rendering of simple MathML
counts).  I've started an off-thread discussion with Julie to get one of
her samples.

Best,
   Garth


On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:22 PM Ric Wright <rkwright@geofx.com> wrote:

> Here’s one, Garth.  Largely lifted from the EPUB Test Suite 100.
>
> Note that you will see a lot of warnings from EPUBCheck, such as:
>
> WARNING(ACC-009):
> ./Tiny-MathML.epub/OPS/xhtml/content-mathml-001.xhtml(61,14): MathML should
> either have an 'alttext' attribute or 'annotation-xml' child element.
>
> So the content needs to be updated.
>
> Ric
>
>
>
> From: Garth Conboy <garth@google.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 11:40 AM
> To: <Julie.Blair@sagepub.com>
> Cc: Rachel Comerford <rachel.comerford@macmillan.com>, AUDRAIN LUC <
> LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>,
> W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: [EPUB Roadmap] EPUB3 Justification call
> Resent-From: <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
> Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:41:25 +0000
>
> Hi Julie,
>
> I'd be interested in a sample EPUB 3 with MathML to take a look at in our
> ingest pipeline.
>
> Best,
>    Garth
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:54 AM Julie Blair <Julie.Blair@sagepub.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rachel,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m checking with Sales and will let you know.
>>
>>
>>
>> Slightly off-topic, Google Play won’t accept any EPUB3 with MathML (even
>> if we provide a fallback image). Unfortunately this makes us default to
>> EPUB2 if a book contains Math. Has anyone else had this experience with
>> them?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Julie
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Rachel Comerford <rachel.comerford@macmillan.com>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 12, 2018 6:56 AM
>> *To:* Julie Blair <Julie.Blair@sagepub.com>
>> *Cc:* AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; MURATA Makoto <
>> eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>; W3C Publishing Business Group <
>> public-publishingbg@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [EPUB Roadmap] EPUB3 Justification call
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Julie! Do you know which distributors/reading systems you work
>> with that do not yet accept EPUB3? It would be interesting in helping us
>> develop a secondary target audience for this document.
>>
>>
>>
>> R
>>
>>
>> Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility
>> | T 212.576.9433
>>
>> *Macmillan Learning*
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 8:27 PM, Julie Blair <Julie.Blair@sagepub.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> We do just this at SAGE Publishing. We create an EPUB3 then run a second
>> transformation to down-convert that package to EPUB2 for those
>> channels/vendors that won’t accept EPUB3 files.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Julie Blair
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2018 8:06 AM
>> *To:* MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
>> *Cc:* W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [EPUB Roadmap] EPUB3 Justification call
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it is a good idea but it has a cost.
>>
>>
>>
>> Although difficult to know exactly, I do think almost all old EPUB2-only
>> devices support EPUB3 files, I mean those described in the document "EPUB2
>> Sunset".
>>
>> At least, the tests we did in 2015 at Hachette Livre France, helped us
>> decide to switch the entire EPUB2 production to EPUB3. With no regrets…
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Luc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *De : *MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
>> *Date : *vendredi 10 août 2018 à 11:53
>> *À : *AUDRAIN LUC AUDRAIN LUC <laudrain@hachette-livre.fr>
>> *Cc : *W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
>> *Objet : *Re: [EPUB Roadmap] EPUB3 Justification call
>>
>>
>>
>> Takami-san suggested downward translation from EPUB 3 to EPUB 2.
>>
>> It allows publishers to adopt EPUB 3 while continuing to support
>>
>> EPUB2-only devices.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Makoto
>>
>>
>>
>> 2018年8月10日(金) 16:42 AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> BISG has released a tweet today on the white paper we have been working
>> on in the EPUB Roadmap TF.
>>
>>
>>
>> I wanted to present it in a future PBG call but as it is now public, here
>> it is:
>>
>> Here is the link :
>> https://github.com/readium/readium.github.io/wiki/EPUB-2-sunset
>>
>>
>>
>> Any comments are welcome of course.
>>
>>
>>
>> And I think we should publish it in a W3C blog. Ivan, is it possible?
>>
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Luc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Praying for the victims of the Japan Tohoku earthquake
>>
>> Makoto
>>
>>
>>
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