Re: [EPUB Roadmap] EPUB3 Justification call

If possible, can you loop me into such discussions?  If  Readium doesn’t render them correctly I’d like ti know. 

Thanks
Ric

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> On Aug 15, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Garth Conboy <garth@google.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Ric!
> 
> We're okay with those test files (if CSS rendering of simple MathML counts).  I've started an off-thread discussion with Julie to get one of her samples.
> 
> Best,
>    Garth
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 12:22 PM Ric Wright <rkwright@geofx.com> wrote:
>> Here’s one, Garth.  Largely lifted from the EPUB Test Suite 100.
>> 
>> Note that you will see a lot of warnings from EPUBCheck, such as:
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>> WARNING(ACC-009): ./Tiny-MathML.epub/OPS/xhtml/content-mathml-001.xhtml(61,14): MathML should either have an 'alttext' attribute or 'annotation-xml' child element.
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>> So the content needs to be updated.
>> 
>> Ric
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>> 
>> From: Garth Conboy <garth@google.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 11:40 AM
>> To: <Julie.Blair@sagepub.com>
>> Cc: Rachel Comerford <rachel.comerford@macmillan.com>, AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>, MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>, W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
>> Subject: Re: [EPUB Roadmap] EPUB3 Justification call
>> Resent-From: <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
>> Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:41:25 +0000
>> 
>> Hi Julie,
>> 
>> I'd be interested in a sample EPUB 3 with MathML to take a look at in our ingest pipeline.
>> 
>> Best,
>>    Garth
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:54 AM Julie Blair <Julie.Blair@sagepub.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Rachel,
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> I’m checking with Sales and will let you know.
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> Slightly off-topic, Google Play won’t accept any EPUB3 with MathML (even if we provide a fallback image). Unfortunately this makes us default to EPUB2 if a book contains Math. Has anyone else had this experience with them?
>>> 
>>>  
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>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Rachel Comerford <rachel.comerford@macmillan.com> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2018 6:56 AM
>>> To: Julie Blair <Julie.Blair@sagepub.com>
>>> Cc: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>; MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>; W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [EPUB Roadmap] EPUB3 Justification call
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>>> Thanks Julie! Do you know which distributors/reading systems you work with that do not yet accept EPUB3? It would be interesting in helping us develop a secondary target audience for this document.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> R
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>>> 
>>> Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility | T 212.576.9433 
>>> 
>>> Macmillan Learning
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>>>  
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>>> On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 8:27 PM, Julie Blair <Julie.Blair@sagepub.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We do just this at SAGE Publishing. We create an EPUB3 then run a second transformation to down-convert that package to EPUB2 for those channels/vendors that won’t accept EPUB3 files.
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>>>  
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>>> -Julie Blair
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr> 
>>> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2018 8:06 AM
>>> To: MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
>>> Cc: W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [EPUB Roadmap] EPUB3 Justification call
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I think it is a good idea but it has a cost.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Although difficult to know exactly, I do think almost all old EPUB2-only devices support EPUB3 files, I mean those described in the document "EPUB2 Sunset".
>>> 
>>> At least, the tests we did in 2015 at Hachette Livre France, helped us decide to switch the entire EPUB2 production to EPUB3. With no regrets…
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Luc
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>>>  
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>>>  
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>>> De : MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>
>>> Date : vendredi 10 août 2018 à 11:53
>>> À : AUDRAIN LUC AUDRAIN LUC <laudrain@hachette-livre.fr>
>>> Cc : W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
>>> Objet : Re: [EPUB Roadmap] EPUB3 Justification call
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Takami-san suggested downward translation from EPUB 3 to EPUB 2.  
>>> 
>>> It allows publishers to adopt EPUB 3 while continuing to support 
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>>> EPUB2-only devices.
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Makoto
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 2018年8月10日(金) 16:42 AUDRAIN LUC <LAUDRAIN@hachette-livre.fr>:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> BISG has released a tweet today on the white paper we have been working on in the EPUB Roadmap TF.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I wanted to present it in a future PBG call but as it is now public, here it is:
>>> 
>>> Here is the link : https://github.com/readium/readium.github.io/wiki/EPUB-2-sunset
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> Any comments are welcome of course.
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> And I think we should publish it in a W3C blog. Ivan, is it possible?
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Luc
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>>>  
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>>>  
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Praying for the victims of the Japan Tohoku earthquake
>>> 
>>> Makoto
>>> 
>>>