RE: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05, Lisbon, Portugal

Yes, anything from the W3C (such as a CG report) would be free through that distribution channel.

And with the EPUB conformance stuff, as you note, George, the ANSI version of that document is available for free because ANSI can do that (as a national standards body).  But ISO itself won't do that.

Leonard

From: George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 9:44 PM
To: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>; 'Ric Wright' <rkwright@geofx.com>; laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org; 'Bill Kasdorf' <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>
Cc: 'MURATA Makoto' <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>; 'W3C Publishing Business Group' <public-publishingbg@w3.org>
Subject: RE: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05, Lisbon, Portugal

Hi Leonard,

The EPUB 3.2 is not connected to ISO, only the EPUB 3.0.1, but I would hope that it would be freely available.

I would expect that the EPUB 3.2 would be available at no cost through the W3C as a CG Report.

The EPUB Accessibility Conformance and Discovery Specification under ISO would need to be made available at no cost as a condition; the ANSI/NISO Z39.86 AKA the DAISY standard is freely available (oh, and the DAISY recommendation is that EPUB 3 replaces that spec published in 2002).

Best
George


From: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com<mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 7:22 PM
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Subject: RE: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05, Lisbon, Portugal

George's plan sounds great as the general plan for EPUB 3.2....but I don't see the ISO connection with it.

1 - As Makoto has pointed out in his document, you can only take W3C RECs to ISO.  CG documents can't be "brought across" to ISO (using the liaison channel).
2 - ISO doesn't do free standards.  They make their $$ selling standards (since membership is free, for the most part).  So if this is an problem, you should face that fact.
NOTE: individual member bodies (aka countries) can, however, make standards available to their members for a reduced price (or free!).  For example, ANSI (in the US) does this for a few standards.

Leonard

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Subject: Re: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05, Lisbon, Portugal

I think that George's plan is excellent, but shouldn't there is an item for extending EPUBCheck to cover 3.2?  I think we all agree on this needs, but seems like it should be part of the plan. Of course, these three items (I.e. 3, 4 and 4b) are a LOT of work, but what of that?  :-)

Ric


From: Laurent Le Meur <laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org<mailto:laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org>>
Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:36 PM
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Subject: Re: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05, Lisbon, Portugal
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+ 100 to this plan.
Epub 3.2 will have the media cover and the Asian industry will be able to rely on an compatible ISO standard in a correct timeframe.
Cordialement, Laurent

Le 10 avr. 2018 à 19:43, Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com<mailto:kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>> a écrit :
+1 to George's plan
--Bill K

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On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:30 PM, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com<mailto:kerscher@montana.com>> wrote:
Dear All,

Based onMakoto's email below and our lengthy discussion on the call today, I thought I would put down my thoughts:

Approach


  1.  Move briskly forward to develop EPUB 3.2 as a W3C CG Report, i.e. the Standard we recommend.
  2.  Also update the Accessibility Spec to version 1.1  and submit as a CG report
  3.  Develop a robust test suite for EPUB 3.2 that will also help our rec track PWG
  4.  Develop Rachel's Best practices (oops probably not called Rachael's)
  5.  Marcket  the heck out of3.2 as being backward compatible as the current Standard.
  6.  In ISO get assurances that the standards will be freely available and may also be available from W3C
  7.  Ask Makoto to move forward with option 4, see below


Option 4: International Standards for EPUB 3.0.1 (fast-track) and EPUB A11Y 1.0 (normal process)
list of 4 items
* Estimated timeline: The target date is middle 2020. (The fast-track DIS ballot for EPUB 3.0.1 requires 6 months and the comment disposition requires
a few months. EPUB A11Y requires a CD ballot and a DIS ballot, at least.)
* Pros: Not-so-late publication

  *   No language in the EPUB 3.0.1 spec needs to be rewritten (Makoto please confirm)
* Cons: EPUB A11Y is required to be rewritten in the ISO/IEC style, although it is short.
* Cons: Might hamper the adoption of 3.2.

While EPUB 3.0.1 being an ISO standard could in theory hamper 3.2 adoption, because of the backward compatability of 3.2 with 3.01, plus the marketing in support of 3.2, plus the best practices in 3.2, plus the Ace supporting 3.2, , plus the new epubcheck supporting 3.2, I think we are in good shape.

That's my thoughts and I am sure there are things missing.

Best
George

From: eb2mmrt@gmail.com<mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com> <eb2mmrt@gmail.com<mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com>> On Behalf Of MURATA Makoto
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 6:09 AM
To: W3C Publishing Business Group <public-publishingbg@w3.org<mailto:public-publishingbg@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05, Lisbon, Portugal

Dear colleagues,

On May 16, SC34/JWG7 will have a comment
resolution meting for the Proposed Draft Techical
Specifications Ballot of EPUB 3.0.1 (PDTS 30135 -1
to 6).  We have to choose either Option 4 or 5 before
this meeting.  We can take more time for Options 1, 2,
and 3.

Regards,
Makoto

2018-03-27 18:58 GMT+09:00 MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp<mailto:eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>>:
Dear colleagues,

This meeting is mainly for the comment disposition of ISO/IEC PDTS
30135-1/66 (EPUB 3.0.1) and that of ISO/IEC PDTS 22424-1/2 (EPUB3
preservation).

The meeting announcement and draft agenda are available at:

  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2018Mar/0384.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FMember%2Fw3c-archive%2F2018Mar%2F0384.html&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7C0c01d2c9696d4c8583ab08d59f1c05f0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636589865068242926&sdata=cwrWsOMH%2FU3qrzbT6JwAIyLjJ0Pd0NWKbcyxmTxP2u4%3D&reserved=0>

Referenced documents are also available at:

  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2018Mar/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FMember%2Fw3c-archive%2F2018Mar%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7C0c01d2c9696d4c8583ab08d59f1c05f0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636589865068242926&sdata=PVjxuwGigX5fMl43a4sqsqXayun7krU07eiX7SdHRFE%3D&reserved=0>

These documents are not available to the public.  I believe
that TPI members have access to these documents.

I am sure that this meeting will care the input from W3C
very seriously.  After the last meeting, I created a list
of possible options for the standardization of EPUB
3.0.1/3.2.  Is it possible to reach consensus on the
choice of several options, available at:

https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/wiki/Five-options-for-creating-ISO-IEC-specifications<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fw3c%2Fpubl-a11y%2Fwiki%2FFive-options-for-creating-ISO-IEC-specifications&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7C0c01d2c9696d4c8583ab08d59f1c05f0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636589865068242926&sdata=qiq%2Fvz5Dj%2BsGxtR895YrANij4%2B5PLEa1DUtJfSESYBg%3D&reserved=0>

?


Regards,
MURATA Makoto (liaison from ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 to W3C)




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