RE: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05, Lisbon, Portugal

Hi Leonard,
 
The EPUB 3.2 is not connected to ISO, only the EPUB 3.0.1, but I would hope
that it would be freely available.
 
I would expect that the EPUB 3.2 would be available at no cost through the
W3C as a CG Report.
 
The EPUB Accessibility Conformance and Discovery Specification under ISO
would need to be made available at no cost as a condition; the ANSI/NISO
Z39.86 AKA the DAISY standard is freely available (oh, and the DAISY
recommendation is that EPUB 3 replaces that spec published in 2002).
 
Best
George
 
 
From: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 7:22 PM
To: Ric Wright <rkwright@geofx.com>; laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org; Bill Kasdorf
<kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>
Cc: George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com>; MURATA Makoto
<eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>; W3C Publishing Business Group
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Subject: RE: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and
draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05,
Lisbon, Portugal
 
George’s plan sounds great as the general plan for EPUB 3.2….but I don’t see
the ISO connection with it.
 
1 – As Makoto has pointed out in his document, you can only take W3C RECs to
ISO.  CG documents can’t be “brought across” to ISO (using the liaison
channel).  
2 – ISO doesn’t do free standards.  They make their $$ selling standards
(since membership is free, for the most part).  So if this is an problem,
you should face that fact.
NOTE: individual member bodies (aka countries) can, however, make standards
available to their members for a reduced price (or free!).  For example,
ANSI (in the US) does this for a few standards.
 
Leonard
 
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Subject: Re: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and
draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05,
Lisbon, Portugal
 
I think that George’s plan is excellent, but shouldn’t there is an item for
extending EPUBCheck to cover 3.2?  I think we all agree on this needs, but
seems like it should be part of the plan. Of course, these three items (I.e.
3, 4 and 4b) are a LOT of work, but what of that?  :-)
 
Ric
 
 
From: Laurent Le Meur <laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org
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Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 12:36 PM
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Subject: Re: George's thoughts: RE: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and
draft agenda for JWG7 of JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05,
Lisbon, Portugal
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+ 100 to this plan. 
Epub 3.2 will have the media cover and the Asian industry will be able to
rely on an compatible ISO standard in a correct timeframe. 
Cordialement, Laurent

Le 10 avr. 2018 à 19:43, Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com
<mailto:kasdorf.bill@gmail.com> > a écrit :
+1 to George's plan
--Bill K


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On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:30 PM, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com
<mailto:kerscher@montana.com> > wrote:
Dear All,
 
Based onMakoto’s email below and our lengthy discussion on the call today, I
thought I would put down my thoughts:
 
Approach
 
1.	Move briskly forward to develop EPUB 3.2 as a W3C CG Report, i.e.
the Standard we recommend.
2.	Also update the Accessibility Spec to version 1.1  and submit as a
CG report
3.	Develop a robust test suite for EPUB 3.2 that will also help our rec
track PWG
4.	Develop Rachel’s Best practices (oops probably not called Rachael’s)
5.	Marcket  the heck out of3.2 as being backward compatible as the
current Standard.
6.	In ISO get assurances that the standards will be freely available
and may also be available from W3C
7.	Ask Makoto to move forward with option 4, see below
 
 
Option 4: International Standards for EPUB 3.0.1 (fast-track) and EPUB A11Y
1.0 (normal process)
list of 4 items
• Estimated timeline: The target date is middle 2020. (The fast-track DIS
ballot for EPUB 3.0.1 requires 6 months and the comment disposition requires
a few months. EPUB A11Y requires a CD ballot and a DIS ballot, at least.)
• Pros: Not-so-late publication
*	No language in the EPUB 3.0.1 spec needs to be rewritten (Makoto
please confirm)
• Cons: EPUB A11Y is required to be rewritten in the ISO/IEC style, although
it is short.
• Cons: Might hamper the adoption of 3.2.
 
While EPUB 3.0.1 being an ISO standard could in theory hamper 3.2 adoption,
because of the backward compatability of 3.2 with 3.01, plus the marketing
in support of 3.2, plus the best practices in 3.2, plus the Ace supporting
3.2, , plus the new epubcheck supporting 3.2, I think we are in good shape.
 
That’s my thoughts and I am sure there are things missing.
 
Best
George
 
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<mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com> > On Behalf Of MURATA Makoto
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Subject: Re: IMPORTANT: Meeting announcement and draft agenda for JWG7 of
JTC1/SC34, TC46/SC4 and IEC/TC100 TA10, 2018-05, Lisbon, Portugal
 
Dear colleagues,
 
On May 16, SC34/JWG7 will have a comment 
resolution meting for the Proposed Draft Techical 
Specifications Ballot of EPUB 3.0.1 (PDTS 30135 -1 
to 6).  We have to choose either Option 4 or 5 before 
this meeting.  We can take more time for Options 1, 2, 
and 3.
 
Regards,
Makoto
 
2018-03-27 18:58 GMT+09:00 MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp
<mailto:eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp> >:
Dear colleagues,
 
This meeting is mainly for the comment disposition of ISO/IEC PDTS
30135-1/66 (EPUB 3.0.1) and that of ISO/IEC PDTS 22424-1/2 (EPUB3
preservation).
 
The meeting announcement and draft agenda are available at:
 
  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2018Mar/0384.html
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.o
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Pd0NWKbcyxmTxP2u4%3D&reserved=0> 
 
Referenced documents are also available at:
 
  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-archive/2018Mar/
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.o
rg%2FArchives%2FMember%2Fw3c-archive%2F2018Mar%2F&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40
adobe.com%7C0c01d2c9696d4c8583ab08d59f1c05f0%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178dec
ee1%7C0%7C0%7C636589865068242926&sdata=PVjxuwGigX5fMl43a4sqsqXayun7krU07eiX7
SdHRFE%3D&reserved=0> 
 
These documents are not available to the public.  I believe
that TPI members have access to these documents.
 
I am sure that this meeting will care the input from W3C
very seriously.  After the last meeting, I created a list
of possible options for the standardization of EPUB
3.0.1/3.2.  Is it possible to reach consensus on the
choice of several options, available at:
 
https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/wiki/Five-options-for-creating-ISO-IEC-spec
ifications
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%2Fw3c%2Fpubl-a11y%2Fwiki%2FFive-options-for-creating-ISO-IEC-specifications
&data=02%7C01%7Clrosenth%40adobe.com%7C0c01d2c9696d4c8583ab08d59f1c05f0%7Cfa
7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C1%7C636589865068242926&sdata=qiq%2Fvz5D
j%2BsGxtR895YrANij4%2B5PLEa1DUtJfSESYBg%3D&reserved=0> 
 
?
 
 
Regards,
MURATA Makoto (liaison from ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34 to W3C)
 



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