Re: New Member: The Washington Post

First of all, IPTC is a small meeting. It's just that it is a key group of
players for whom the web is important (as you recognize) but the ability to
deliver "publications" rather than just websites may be quite relevant.

As for the Post, I don't think they're IPTC members. They weren't when I
was active with IPTC. (I'm still a member but haven't attended the meetings
the past couple of years for cost reasons.) But when I was active, I always
thought that sector could benefit from WP, though probably not EPUB.
Certainly publications like the NYT (I'm an avid reader) often put together
really complex aggregations of resources to get at an important issue, and
those sound like WP candidates to me.

I'm always an optimist. When Karen shared that the Post had joined the W3C,
and I had recently seen a Slack post from IPTC expressing interest in the
pub manifest and the other work at EDRLab, and mentioning Laurent by name
(he used to be very active in the IPTC), I figured this might be the time
to get their attention. And even one or two more of those big organizations
could be really beneficial to the W3C apart from WP considerations.

That's it. I'll be at the meeting Monday if you want to discuss this. Jeff
had observed that there isn't time for it on the agenda, and I'm not
suggesting that. But since the future of WP and the PWG is part of the
discussion, getting the news sector interested in WP strikes me as
potentially relevant.

--Bill

On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 12:29 PM Reid, Wendy <wendy.reid@rakuten.com> wrote:

> Do we know what the interest from WaPo is regarding Publishing? I have no
> knowledge really of newspaper publishing but it strikes me that in the
> digital realm, they really do seem to have it figured out. Obviously I
> don’t know their use cases but I don’t really think PM is of interest to
> them. Perhaps other projects we’re considering would be, but we don’t know.
>
>
>
> Would it perhaps be more feasible for Karen to arrange a meeting with a
> few of us from PWG/PBG to meet with the WaPo reps and understand what they
> are interested in, instead of worrying about arranging international
> travel? A big meeting like IPTC, they may not have the time to chat with
> us.
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>
> Bill, at this point there’s no argument for rechartering PWG after PM and
> Audiobooks goes out, but if there’s anything we need to know before the
> meeting next week, please share.
>
>
>
> -Wendy
>
>
>
> *From: *Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:51 AM
> *To: *Laurent Le Meur <laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org>
> *Cc: *Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org>, Karen Myers <karen@w3.org>, W3C
> Publishing Steering Committee <public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
> *Subject: *Re: New Member: The Washington Post
> *Resent-From: *<public-publishing-sc@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Tuesday, February 18, 2020 at 11:51 AM
>
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>
> I think you meant this is NOT a matter of urgency, since you suggested
> just doing this at their Fall meeting in NYC.
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> My concern is the need to recharter the Publishing WG. That's the urgency
> I feel. If we could get some interest in WP from this sector, who are not
> much interested in EPUB, that could be a deciding factor in the future of
> WP. And this group has a bunch of heavy hitters like the Associated Press,
> Agence France-Presse, the BBC, Bloomberg, the New York Times (host of the
> fall meeting), Thomson-Reuters, and many more. My hope would be that we
> could stimulate interest at the IPTC Spring Meeting so that (a) we could
> have support for some implementations and (b) so that there could be some
> concrete progress from at least one or two of those players in time for
> their Fall meeting (and even earlier, in support of WP for
> non-ebook-content from an important sector).
>
>
>
> I certainly understand your need for support for travel. I would go to
> Tallinn if I could but I can't justify the personal expense. In any case.
> Laurent, you're a much better person to make this case with this group than
> I am. Hope this can work out. If you can't do it, maybe Ivan can go.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2020 at 7:22 AM Laurent Le Meur <laurent.lemeur@edrlab.org>
> wrote:
>
> Note: I'll discuss with Brendan the interest of going in Estonia for
> presenting our work to the IPTC Spring meeting. This is also a matter of
> urgency (shouldn't it wait until their Fall meeting in NY?) and budget for
> EDRLab (or is there a sponsor somewhere for that travel?) .
>
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>
> Laurent
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> Le 13 févr. 2020 à 17:31, Bill Kasdorf <kasdorf.bill@gmail.com> a écrit :
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>
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> Sounds good. And not to discourage somebody (Laurent being the likely
> ideal candidate) to attend the Spring IPTC meeting in Estonia, I just got
> news today that the Fall meeting will be hosted by the New York Times,
> October 12-14. So a whole bunch of these folks will be within easy reach
> then.
>
>
>
> An ideal scenario would be for Laurent to speak at the Spring meeting and
> get the ball rolling so that concrete results could be presented at the
> Fall meeting. Since I went independent I can't justify the expense to go in
> person to all the IPTC meetings anymore, but I will definitely be attending
> the fall meeting in New York.
>
>
>
> --Bill
>
>
>
> P.S. Another tidbit--there will be a big announcement next week about
> IPTC's partnership with Google on image metadata. . . .
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 12:09 AM Jeff Jaffe <jeff@w3.org> wrote:
>
> Congratulations, Karen, and thanks Bill.
>
> Bill, I agree that given the breadth of topics of interest to the
> publishing industry, having members like the Washington Post and
> Thomson-Reuters gives us a platform to explore a broader set of topics.  I
> doubt that there is time to discuss at the Summit meeting on the 24th, but
> maybe some of us can caucus about the possibilities during a break.
>
> Jeff
>
> On 2/12/2020 5:31 PM, Bill Kasdorf wrote:
>
> That's fantastic news! I recently made a renewed pitch to IPTC, the news
> technology organization, when I saw a Slack post that Brendan Quinn, the
> IPTC Managing Director, put out to their membership about LPF and
> pub-manifest, linking to those specs and citing the Publishing WG and
> Laurent specifically. (Laurent used to be an IPTC member and he knows them
> well.) I pointed out that some of their members (New York Times, BBC,
> Agence France-Presse, Bloomberg, Thomson-Reuters, you name it--but not the
> Post, and they've always wanted the Post to join IPTC!) might want to get
> involved in the W3C since those things may be really relevant to them. I
> will post about the Post! (I'm still a member of IPTC, though not as active
> as I used to be.)--Bill
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 5:02 PM Karen Myers <karen@w3.org> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> A quick note to let you know that The Washington Post has joined W3C as
> new members and one of their interests is Publishing. I will be scheduling
> their new member/new AC Rep on-boarding call soon but wanted to let all of
> you know.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
>
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*Bill Kasdorf*
*Principal, Kasdorf & Associates, LLC*

*Founding Partner, Publishing Technology Partners
<https://pubtechpartners.com/>*
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