RE: [NISO sc34ballots] Groups - Ballot reminder: "ISO/IEC/DTS 23078, Specification of DRM technology for e-book content"

Hi George,

Thanks for passing this on. Wiley is a member of NISO as well. I have just returned from vacation. Once I have had time to review these documents, I will also ask our NISO rep to offer feedback. I do not represent Wiley on NISO, because I am involved in other activities, but I work closely with them and can influence their decisons.

I will follow up later today or tomorrow.

Tzviya

Tzviya Siegman
Information Standards Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com<mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com>

From: George Kerscher [mailto:kerscher@montana.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 12:35 PM
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Subject: RE: [NISO sc34ballots] Groups - Ballot reminder: "ISO/IEC/DTS 23078, Specification of DRM technology for e-book content"

Hi Avneesh,

Yes, I know others are copied.

I believe that this is Korea’s way of taking LCP to ISO. For them to use it, it must have an ISO  designation. Once it is an ISO standard or technical specification, then they can use it. It also can then be used in other countries. While I am not sure, I bet Ado’ or Inter’, or some other company that has patents in the DRM space would sue a company in the USA for infringement by using LCP. Perhaps if it were an ISO standard, then it would be harder for them to sue.

I feel that libraries and many publishers in the USA would love to use LCP and avoid that high payment they now make to Ado’ each year. Having LCP could open up a lot of access.

Right now I plan to vote yes and make a comment about DRM applied by distributors that Rachel brought up, but having an expert (that we can trust) not put forward by the USA is a problem. NISO has still not responded to my suggestion of Bill Rosenblat. The ISO process is really, really time consuming and their accessibility to documents is terrible. Also, I am no DRM bits & bytes expert, but I do get the implications; OMG, do we think I should put myself forward?

Best
George

From: Avneesh Singh <avneesh.sg@gmail.com<mailto:avneesh.sg@gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [NISO sc34ballots] Groups - Ballot reminder: "ISO/IEC/DTS 23078, Specification of DRM technology for e-book content"


The first thought that comes to mind is, why this work is required in addition to LCP?
I have not compared the specific details with LCP yet, from surface level it looks that objectives are similar to LCP.

The proposal indicates that it intends to be aligned with W3C technologies and IDPF’s encryption specs. So, it does not look that they will create a world of their own.
But it would be important to understand the motivation for parallel work.

With regards
Avneesh
From: Rachel Comerford
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2018 1:06
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Subject: Re: FW: [NISO sc34ballots] Groups - Ballot reminder: "ISO/IEC/DTS 23078, Specification of DRM technology for e-book content"

Okay - I can review it in full and try to provide more feedback. Unfortunately, we're not members so I wouldn't be able to rep for the US in any of these.

Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility | T 212.576.9433

Macmillan Learning

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 3:34 PM, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com<mailto:kerscher@montana.com>> wrote:
Hi,

With the DRM, in my vote, I could provide a comment that unprotect EPUB gets pushed out to distributors and they apply the DRM. I would add that the publisher themselves are not expected to apply the DRM, but they could if they were also a distributor.

I still have the problem of participation in these NISO groups, because of bandwidth.  So far, no person from the USA has signed up to work on this internationally.


Best
George

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Subject: Re: FW: [NISO sc34ballots] Groups - Ballot reminder: "ISO/IEC/DTS 23078, Specification of DRM technology for e-book content"

Hey George,

re: ISO/IEC/DTS 23078, Specification of DRM technology for e-book content

Apologies, but I'm unfamiliar with the ISO voting process so I'm not sure what this is raised as a proposal for? Is it to start a working group around creating a standard or is it for this as a standard itself?

There's an issue, at least in my part of the business, that I see in the basic proposal. They wrote:
"However, it will create inconvenience to publishers since they have to manage multiple versions of
protected e-book contents to deliver them to different libraries. It will also cause inconvenience to end users since they also have to install multiple reading systems for their use."

As a publisher, I don't apply DRM to my own books - we rely on the reading systems to apply it. This standard would (if I'm reading it properly) require application from publishers as well as reading systems and I'm unclear as to its impact on accessibility since DRM'd EPUBs and AT have traditionally not played well together.

I think I could probably review this whole this this weekend but I'm not sure of the context of the what the vote actually goes to.

re: PDTS ISO/IEC 22424-1 EPUB Preservation - Part 1 and Part 2

Archiving! Something we discuss frequently but haven't successfully moved forward on from what I recall. I'm fairly uninformed when it comes to archiving needs and methods but I'm sure Tzviya (when she's back from vacation) will have something to say or someone to point to on that topic.

R

Rachel Comerford | Senior Director of Content Standards and Accessibility | T 212.576.9433

Macmillan Learning

On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 1:49 PM, George Kerscher <kerscher@montana.com<mailto:kerscher@montana.com>> wrote:
Hi again,

Supporting documents attached.

I have to vote early in the week. I asked Todd Carpenter if Bill Rosenblat could be working on this, but have not heard back.

Thoughts on how I should vote?

Best
George


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Subject: [NISO sc34ballots] Groups - Ballot reminder: "ISO/IEC/DTS 23078, Specification of DRM technology for e-book content"

Reminder: Please cast your vote on the ballot "ISO/IEC/DTS 23078, Specification of DRM technology for e-book content" in the "SC34 Ballot Advisory Group" group.
This is your last reminder to vote.
Ballot Title: ISO/IEC/DTS 23078, Specification of DRM technology for e-book content<http://groups.niso.org/apps/org/workgroup/sc34ballots/ballot.php?id=878>
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Question
Do you approve, disapprove or abstain on this NWIP for ISO/IEC/DTS 23078 DRM technology for e-book?

Closing Date: Tuesday, 21 August 2018 @ 11:59 pm EDT

Description
The proposed standard provides a specification of the security technology required to deliver EPUB content for the purpose of submission, storing and dissemination in libraries and other organizations. This proposed standard addresses specific technical specifications for encryption, digital signatures, certificates, and licenses of EPUB contents, as well as usage scenarios for secure delivery of EPUB contents. The proposed standard uses internationally proven security technologies and consists of royalty-free technologies.



If the US votes to approve this as a new project, we are expected to name AT LEAST ONE EXPERT who will work on this standard's development. If you would like to nominate someone, please include the name and contact information in your comments, we are now also required to provide particular information when adding Experts to working groups: The Expert’s full name and e-mail address, a salutation (Dr., Ms., etc.) as well as one of the following Stakeholder Categories:



Industry and Commerce

Government

Consumers

Labour

Academic and Research Bodies

Standards Application

Non-governmental Organization (NGO)



Please obtain that person's agreement in advance to work on this project.



We are also required to provide a justification statement for why we think this is or is not a worthwhile/useful project (depending on whether we vote yes or no). Please provide such a statement in the comments for your Affirmative or Negative vote. Consider whether you think this standard will be used in the U.S.



In addition to providing justification statement and volunteer to work on the project, there are two questions to address:



Question 1

Do you approve this project being added to the program, disapprove adding this project or abstain on this NP?



Question 2

Please select from one of the following options (note if no option is selected, the default will be the first option):



Draft document will be registered as new project in the committee program (stage 20.00)

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Draft document can be registered as a Draft International Standard (DIS - Stage 40.00)







Your voting options for Question 1 are:



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Vote<http://groups.niso.org/apps/org/workgroup/sc34ballots/ballot.php?id=878>

  *   Approve
  *   Disapprove
  *   Abstain due to lack of consensus
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  *   Draft document will be registered as new project in committee program (stage 20.00)
  *   Draft document can be registered as a Working Draft (WD - Stage 20.20)
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  *   Draft document can be registered as a Draft International Standard (DIS - Stage 40.00)
  *   Abstain from voting

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Group: SC34 Ballot Advisory Group
Date Opened: Wednesday, 6 June 2018 @ 6:00 am EDT
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Referenced Items
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ISO-IECJTC1-SC34_N2506_NP_TS23078.2.pdf (295K)

2018-06-06

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DRM Specification for EPUB Content - Overview-02.docx (225K)

2018-06-06

Download<http://groups.niso.org/apps/org/workgroup/sc34ballots/download.php/19253> | View Details<http://groups.niso.org/apps/org/workgroup/sc34ballots/document.php?document_id=19253>