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Re: [personalization] Changing the name of hero

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2017 11:31:39 +0200
Cc: Leonard Rosenthol <lrosenth@adobe.com>, MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>, W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <4604D7DA-A1F7-4C29-8556-C135187AD185@w3.org>
To: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>
This is more a pragmatic reaction from my side: I have difficulties to foresee how this would happen and what it would require. I have the (vague) impression that we are getting into some sort of a research issue, that could easily lead to a very complex, albeit fascinating development. But… I think this will probably go beyond what this working group could tackle right now.

Maybe we will need to introduce a label on our global github issue list as 'future work', and record this, and other possible but similar issue, as indeed future work.

(Just trying to keep us focussed, that is also part of my job:-)

Ivan



> On 30 Jul 2017, at 19:38, Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com <mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> I don't think anyone is suggesting we should allow users to change any content they please. There's always author permission involved – either to provide the alternative content or identify what can be changed.
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> It's more a question of whether content can be tailored to different readers, and whether it's in our scope to define how. I'd suggest this kind of question belongs in the business group first to investigate and prioritize as we have plenty to do already.
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> Matt
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> From: Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com <mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com>] 
> Sent: July 30, 2017 12:28 PM
> To: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com <mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>>; 'MURATA Makoto' <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp <mailto:eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>>; 'W3C Publishing Working Group' <public-publ-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
> Subject: Re: [personalization] Changing the name of hero
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> I agree that for publications where this makes sense, it seems reasonable to coordinate with these other groups…
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> But let’s remember that there are many(!!) other types of publications that we hope to see as (P)WPs in the future where there is either (a) no such things as a hero/heroine or (b) where changing it would be inappropriate/incorrect.
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> Leonard
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> From: Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com <mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>>
> Date: Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 8:49 AM
> To: 'MURATA Makoto' <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp <mailto:eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>>, 'W3C Publishing Working Group' <public-publ-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
> Subject: RE: [personalization] Changing the name of hero
> Resent-From: <public-publ-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
> Resent-Date: Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 8:49 AM
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> > Can WPs take advantage of Personalization Semantics?
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> We're not placing any restrictions on the content of a WP (it seems right now, anyway). Whenever they're sufficiently stable and supported they could be used.
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> Matt
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> From: eb2mmrt@gmail.com <mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com> [mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com <mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com>] On Behalf Of MURATA Makoto
> Sent: July 29, 2017 8:30 AM
> To: W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
> Subject: Re: [personalization] Changing the name of hero
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> 2017-07-29 21:18 GMT+09:00 Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com <mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>>:
>> It's also in the personalization specification: https://www.w3.org/TR/personalization-semantics-1.0/#coga-alternative <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fpersonalization-semantics-1.0%2F%23coga-alternative&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4558dc6f2f94823de4208d4d6803c9d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636369293645457986&sdata=dUHqb1hg6mSHbyVsym4qAsBHkToPYLD7KCT9hK6DE%2BE%3D&reserved=0>
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>> I don't think it's for this group to solve.
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> Interesting!  Can WPs take advantage of Personalization Semantics?
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> Regards,
> Makoto
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>> Matt
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>> From: Daniel Weck [mailto:daniel.weck@gmail.com <mailto:daniel.weck@gmail.com>] 
>> Sent: July 29, 2017 6:22 AM
>> To: MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp <mailto:eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>>; Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org <mailto:charlesl@benetech.org>>
>> Cc: W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-publ-wg@w3.org>>
>> Subject: Re: [personalization] Changing the name of hero
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>> FYI: in the DIAGRAM project this is codified as "simplified language", and it is one of the possible alternatives for accessible extended descriptions.
>> http://diagramcenter.org/standards-and-practices/content-model.html <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdiagramcenter.org%2Fstandards-and-practices%2Fcontent-model.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4558dc6f2f94823de4208d4d6803c9d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636369293645457986&sdata=FGH2QHpPUgUH1rnRaqEev51ddWKM%2F%2FewuC4stk2T%2Bx0%3D&reserved=0>
>> Regards, Daniel
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>> On 29 Jul 2017 9:09 am, "MURATA Makoto" <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp <mailto:eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>> wrote:
>>> One of my friends suggested that, as do computer games, 
>>> future web publications should allow readers to change 
>>> the names of heroes and heroines.  We might want to go further.  
>>> Some authors hesitate to use difficult expressions but they would 
>>> like to use them if they know when the current reader is well 
>>> educated.  Future publications should allow automatic rewriting 
>>> based on user preferences.
>>>  
>>> Is this in the scope of this tack force?
>>>  
>>> Regards,
>>> Makoto
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> -- 
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> Praying for the victims of the Japan Tohoku earthquake
> 
> Makoto


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