Re: [personalization] Changing the name of hero

I love this potential feature. This is the kind of thing that is exciting
about WPs — the new possibilities they allow.

However, I will continue to argue that we should be keeping our *WP
definition/spec work very light & very focused* … what is the minimum
viable definition/spec?

… with the expectation that publishers & users of WPs will find all sorts
of weird things to do with them we cannot imagine, and shouldn’t try to
constrain.




On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 5:31 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:

> This is more a pragmatic reaction from my side: I have difficulties to
> foresee how this would happen and what it would require. I have the (vague)
> impression that we are getting into some sort of a research issue, that
> could easily lead to a very complex, albeit fascinating development. But… I
> think this will probably go beyond what this working group could tackle
> right now.
>
> Maybe we will need to introduce a label on our global github issue list as
> 'future work', and record this, and other possible but similar issue, as
> indeed future work.
>
> (Just trying to keep us focussed, that is also part of my job:-)
>
> Ivan
>
>
>
> On 30 Jul 2017, at 19:38, Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think anyone is suggesting we should allow users to change any
> content they please. There's always author permission involved – either to
> provide the alternative content or identify what can be changed.
>
> It's more a question of whether content can be tailored to different
> readers, and whether it's in our scope to define how. I'd suggest this kind
> of question belongs in the business group first to investigate and
> prioritize as we have plenty to do already.
>
> Matt
>
> *From:* Leonard Rosenthol [mailto:lrosenth@adobe.com <lrosenth@adobe.com>]
>
> *Sent:* July 30, 2017 12:28 PM
> *To:* Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>; 'MURATA Makoto' <
> eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>; 'W3C Publishing Working Group' <
> public-publ-wg@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [personalization] Changing the name of hero
>
> I agree that for publications where this makes sense, it seems reasonable
> to coordinate with these other groups…
>
> But let’s remember that there are many(!!) other types of publications
> that we hope to see as (P)WPs in the future where there is either (a) no
> such things as a hero/heroine or (b) where changing it would be
> inappropriate/incorrect.
>
> Leonard
>
> *From: *Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 8:49 AM
> *To: *'MURATA Makoto' <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>, 'W3C Publishing Working
> Group' <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
> *Subject: *RE: [personalization] Changing the name of hero
> *Resent-From: *<public-publ-wg@w3.org>
> *Resent-Date: *Saturday, July 29, 2017 at 8:49 AM
>
> > Can WPs take advantage of Personalization Semantics?
>
> We're not placing any restrictions on the content of a WP (it seems right
> now, anyway). Whenever they're sufficiently stable and supported they could
> be used.
>
> Matt
>
> *From:* eb2mmrt@gmail.com [mailto:eb2mmrt@gmail.com <eb2mmrt@gmail.com>] *On
> Behalf Of *MURATA Makoto
> *Sent:* July 29, 2017 8:30 AM
> *To:* W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [personalization] Changing the name of hero
>
>
>
> 2017-07-29 21:18 GMT+09:00 Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com>:
>
> It's also in the personalization specification: https://www.w3.
> org/TR/personalization-semantics-1.0/#coga-alternative
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FTR%2Fpersonalization-semantics-1.0%2F%23coga-alternative&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4558dc6f2f94823de4208d4d6803c9d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636369293645457986&sdata=dUHqb1hg6mSHbyVsym4qAsBHkToPYLD7KCT9hK6DE%2BE%3D&reserved=0>
>
> I don't think it's for this group to solve.
>
>
>
> Interesting!  Can WPs take advantage of Personalization Semantics?
>
> Regards,
> Makoto
>
>
> Matt
>
> *From:* Daniel Weck [mailto:daniel.weck@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* July 29, 2017 6:22 AM
> *To:* MURATA Makoto <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp>; Charles LaPierre <
> charlesl@benetech.org>
> *Cc:* W3C Publishing Working Group <public-publ-wg@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [personalization] Changing the name of hero
>
> FYI: in the DIAGRAM project this is codified as "simplified language", and
> it is one of the possible alternatives for accessible extended descriptions.
> http://diagramcenter.org/standards-and-practices/content-model.html
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fdiagramcenter.org%2Fstandards-and-practices%2Fcontent-model.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb4558dc6f2f94823de4208d4d6803c9d%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636369293645457986&sdata=FGH2QHpPUgUH1rnRaqEev51ddWKM%2F%2FewuC4stk2T%2Bx0%3D&reserved=0>
> Regards, Daniel
>
> On 29 Jul 2017 9:09 am, "MURATA Makoto" <eb2m-mrt@asahi-net.or.jp> wrote:
>
> One of my friends suggested that, as do computer games,
> future web publications should allow readers to change
> the names of heroes and heroines.  We might want to go further.
> Some authors hesitate to use difficult expressions but they would
> like to use them if they know when the current reader is well
> educated.  Future publications should allow automatic rewriting
> based on user preferences.
>
> Is this in the scope of this tack force?
>
> Regards,
> Makoto
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Praying for the victims of the Japan Tohoku earthquake
>
> Makoto
>
>
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