Re: definition of Web Publication

On 26 Jul 2017, at 17:01, Matt Garrish <matt.garrish@gmail.com <mailto:matt.garrish@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> Finding a common set of goals to guide the technical discussions was one of the objectives going into, and coming out of, the last call, so I don't know that we can just jump to the list. That's the hoped-for outcome, as I understand it.
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> Going into technical discussions without a starting definition of a web publication, though, leads to the kind of endless arguments we saw on github. That's where this discussion came from, as it's been noted we have different perceptions.
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> I agree definitions are never in and of themselves technical solutions, and I'm not seeing that we've restricted the details of how a manifest, reading order, etc. can be implemented (or whether they get tossed later). But, I still think this is important to hash out and get preliminary agreement. It's also a necessary piece of a fpwd if we want to impart to reviewers what we believe we're trying to achieve and how we see it happening.


OK, I understand where the discussion is coming from.

What I was trying to suggest is that we shouldn't waste too much effort on wordsmithing but more on getting a list of key characteristics, for which we can start figuring out technical solutions.

In other words, I don't really care at this stage if we're saying resources are "bounded" or "organized". What I care about at this stage are more pragmatic characteristics about a web pub, for instance (just a couple things):
- it has a manifest: there's consensus about that, it's a notable difference from a web site
- given a constituent resource, we can know it belongs a web pub and get (indirectly) the other resources

I believe that a bullet point list of key pragmatic characteristics (or requirements), e.g. similarly to what Hadrien [1] or Brady [2] proposed, is more helpful than a fine-tuned definition that pleases everyone (without any foundation base yet).

Romain.

[1] https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/11#issuecomment-316154103 <https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/11#issuecomment-316154103>
[2] https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/11#issuecomment-316179015 <https://github.com/w3c/wpub/issues/11#issuecomment-316179015>