Re: PROV-ISSUE-647 (TomDN): Make prov:pariValue a subproperty of prov:entity? [PROV-DICTIONARY]

Hi Tom and Tim,

If prov:pairValue 
<https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dictionary/releases/WD-prov-dictionary-20130312/Overview.html#pairValue> 
is a sub-property of prov:entity 
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/PR-prov-o-20130312/#p_entity>, wouldn't it 
make prov:KeyValuePair 
<https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dictionary/releases/WD-prov-dictionary-20130312/Overview.html#KeyValuePair>
part of the domain of prov:entity.

Given that we do not want to change prov:entity and it should remain 
prov:EntityInfluence,
we could make prov:KeyValuePair a subclass of prov:EntityInfluence, but 
it looks strange.

Tim, what do you think?

Luc


On 03/22/2013 12:49 PM, Tom De Nies wrote:
> Luc raised some concerns about making prov:pairValue a sub-property of 
> prov:entity in yesterday's telecon.
> If we decide to make prov:pairValue 
> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dictionary/releases/WD-prov-dictionary-20130312/Overview.html#pairValue> 
> a sub-property of prov:entity 
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/PR-prov-o-20130312/#p_entity>, that would 
> imply that prov:pairValue now has the domain prov:EntityInfluence 
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/PR-prov-o-20130312/#EntityInfluence>.
> Would this mean that we have to make prov:KeyValuePair 
> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dictionary/releases/WD-prov-dictionary-20130312/Overview.html#KeyValuePair> 
> a subclass of prov:EntityInfluence 
> <http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/PR-prov-o-20130312/#EntityInfluence> as 
> well? This seems weird and counter-intuitive to me. It would imply 
> that a dictionary would have some influence on all its members.
>
> Tim, could you share your views on this?
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
> 2013/3/7 Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker <sysbot+tracker@w3.org 
> <mailto:sysbot+tracker@w3.org>>
>
>     PROV-ISSUE-647 (TomDN): Make prov:pariValue a subproperty of
>     prov:entity? [PROV-DICTIONARY]
>
>     http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/647
>
>     Raised by: Tom De Nies
>     On product: PROV-DICTIONARY
>
>     Came up in an off-list conversation with Tim about the PROV-O of
>     dictionaries. It appears to be useful to make prov:pairValue a
>     subproperty of prov:entity. This way applications could use
>     spec-level constructs to "accidentally" "understand" part of the
>     "brand new construct".
>
>     Nice phrasing of the rationale by Tim:
>     "Having prov:pairValue is a very nice subproperty for these
>     uninterested in the alignment with qualifications, but still
>     provides those that do care about qualifications a treat."
>
>     I see no real problems with adding this for the next release. Is
>     this acceptable to the group or did we miss some consequences?
>
>
>
>
>

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