- From: Graham Klyne <graham.klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk>
- Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2013 10:29:43 +0100
- To: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
- CC: "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Hi Luc,
Just for the record, I'm OK with these changes. I.e. no blockers. But in the
spirit of exploration, I'll pursue one of your responses a little further...
On 08/04/2013 22:24, Luc Moreau wrote:
> > Section 5
> >
> > I'm not understanding the motivation or purpose of the constraint
> >
> > IF mentionOf(e, e1, b1) and mentionOf(e, e2, b2), THEN e1=e2 and b1=b2.
> >
> > e.g. It seems to me that if bundle b1 has specializationOf(e1, e2) or
> > mentionOf(e1, e2, b2) then it would make sense for e to be a specialization of
> > distinct entities e1 and e2.
> >
> > Rather than just e1 = e2, is it not sufficient to allow:
> >
> > specializationOf(e1,e2) OR specializationOf(e2,e1) OR e1 = e2
> >
> > ?
>
>
> The reason for this constraint is the rdf encoding in two separate properties.
>
> With a ternary relation, we could express
> mentionOf(e, e1, b1) and mentionOf(e, e2, b2).
>
> In rdf, we would have
> e prov:mentionOf e1
> e prov:asInBundle b1
> e prov:mentionOf e2
> e prov:asInBundle b2
>
> which would allow us to express
> mentionOf(e, e1, b2) and mentionOf(e, e2, b1)
> but nothing requires e1 to be described in b2 and e2 in b1.
Ah, yes, I'd forgotten that aspect. But I can't help wondering if this is a
case of the tail wagging the dog: designing semantics to fit a particular
syntactic pattern for a particular representation.
An alternative RDF representation, arguably more in line with the published
best-practice note for dealing with n-tuples
(http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-n-aryRelations/#pattern1), might be:
e prov:mentionOf
[ prov:specializationOf e1 ; prov:asInBundle b1 ] ,
[ prov:specializationOf e2 ; prov:asInBundle b2 ] .
Or, equivalently:
e prov:mentionOf _:m1, _:m2 .
_:m1 prov:specializationOf e1 ; prov:asInBundle b1 .
_:m2 prov:specializationOf e2 ; prov:asInBundle b2 .
Corresponding to
mentionOf(e, e1, b1)
mentionOf(e, e2, b2)
where prov:mentionOf in the RDF might even be replaced with
prov:specializationOf, and prov:asInBundle with prov:has_provenance.
(In constructing this example, I didn't set out to re-open the other point I
raised about the need for a new relation, but the introduction of the extra RDF
node here provides a place to hang the additional aspect(s) associated with the
two mentions.)
#g
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