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Re: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: Wednesday 10/10)

From: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:06:05 +0100
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Simon,

Terminology removed, see diffs
http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/rev/59dad95f6715
Response changed accordingly.

Luc
On 15/10/12 17:25, Miles, Simon wrote:
> Hi Luc,
> It is clearer, thanks.
> It does suggest that the DM should be clearer too. Your response to 
> ISSUE-521 says: 'The group has provided its answer... that there is 
> not a notion of "adopting a plan"'
> while the PROV-DM says 'Agents may adopt plans'
> This seems contradictory.
> thanks,
> Simon
> Dr Simon Miles
> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
> Mapping Dublin Core (Attribution Metadata) to the Open Provenance Model:
> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1386/
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> *Sent:* 15 October 2012 12:47
> *To:* public-prov-wg@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: 
> Wednesday 10/10)
>
> Hi Simon
> Response refined again:
> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicComments#ISSUE-521_.28Responsibility_Activity.29
> Luc
>
> On 10/11/2012 03:50 PM, Miles, Simon wrote:
>> Hi Luc,
>> I think we must be talking at cross-purposes or I've misunderstood 
>> something.
>> The reviewer comments in ISSUE-521, linked below, don't mention 
>> "wasAdoptedBy". The second paragraph is the question I don't think is 
>> explicitly answered.
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Sep/0111.html
>> thanks,
>> Simon
>> Dr Simon Miles
>> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
>> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
>> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
>> Transparent Provenance Derivation for User Decisions:
>> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1400/
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
>> *Sent:* 11 October 2012 15:39
>> *To:* public-prov-wg@w3.org
>> *Subject:* Re: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: 
>> Wednesday 10/10)
>>
>> Hi Simon,
>> The author of 503 explicitly mentions a relation "wasAdoptedBy" that 
>> is missing from the spec.
>> We argue that it is not missing.
>> I don't understand what you are suggesting.
>> Luc
>>
>> On 10/11/2012 03:22 PM, Miles, Simon wrote:
>>> Hi Luc,
>>> That's fine for ISSUE-522, but I still don't think ISSUE-521/503 
>>> answers the question raised.
>>> The PROV-DM says:
>>> "Agents may adopt plans, i.e. sets of actions or steps, to achieve 
>>> their goals in the context of an activity."
>>> The reviewer asked:
>>> "can activities adopt a plan when acting as an agent, or can only 
>>> entity agents adopt plans?"
>>> As far as I'm aware from the DM, the answer is "yes, agents that are 
>>> activities can adopt plans". I suggest we should say this explicitly 
>>> in the response. ISSUE-503 seems to answer an unrelated question, 
>>> about a proposed wasAdoptedBy relation.
>>> thanks,
>>> Simon
>>> Dr Simon Miles
>>> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
>>> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
>>> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
>>> Transparent Provenance Derivation for User Decisions:
>>> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1400/
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> *From:* Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
>>> *Sent:* 11 October 2012 13:27
>>> *To:* public-prov-wg@w3.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: 
>>> Wednesday 10/10)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10/09/2012 04:12 PM, Miles, Simon wrote:
>>>> Hello Luc,
>>>>
>>>> Responses to responses...
>>>>
>>>> ....
>>>>
>>>> ISSUE-521:
>>>> I was not clear how this or ISSUE-503 answer the question "can activities adopt a plan?" I assume the answer is "yes", in that any wasAssociatedWith relation can include a plan. Could we add an explicit answer to this question?
>>> Response to ISSUE-503 indicated:
>>> /Hence, there is no need for a separate wasAdoptedBy relation./
>>>
>>>> ISSUE-522:
>>>> Similarly to above, I could not see an answer to whether activities could delegate. I assume the answer is "yes", and that the confusion of the reviewer comes from the fact (previously discussed in telecon) that "delegation" is not a perfect word to express what we mean, as it has the connotation of authority, which entities can have but activities don't obviously have.
>>> I have updated the text in 521 as follows:
>>>
>>> /Given this, it is legal to write the following, in which a2 acted 
>>> on behalf of a1, where a2 and a1 are activities, but the type of a2 
>>> and a1 can also be inferred to be agent./
>>>
>>>
>>>> ....
>>>
>>> Luc
>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>> Dr Simon Miles
>>>> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
>>>> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
>>>> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
>>>>
>>>> Transparent Provenance Derivation for User Decisions:
>>>> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1400/
>>>> ________________________________________
>>>> From: Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
>>>> Sent: 08 October 2012 15:06
>>>> To:public-prov-wg@w3.org
>>>> Subject: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: Wednesday  10/10)
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> At
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicComments#PROV-DM_.28Under_Review.29,
>>>> please find our proposed responses to public comments:
>>>> - ISSUE-530
>>>> - ISSUE-520
>>>> - ISSUE-521
>>>> - ISSUE-522
>>>> - ISSUE-509
>>>> - ISSUE-526
>>>> - ISSUE-502
>>>>
>>>> They will become the group responses unless we hear objects by Wednesday
>>>> 10/10.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Luc
>>>>
>>>> PS. To help tracker, please include only the relevant issue number when
>>>> responding.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Professor Luc Moreau
>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>
>
> -- 
> Professor Luc Moreau
> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>

-- 
Professor Luc Moreau
Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
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