- From: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
- Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 18:06:05 +0100
- To: public-prov-wg@w3.org
- Message-ID: <EMEW3|9971d96e3ef6a3996e3a98339a5997e3o9EI6C08l.moreau|ecs.soton.ac.uk|507C427D>
Simon, Terminology removed, see diffs http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/rev/59dad95f6715 Response changed accordingly. Luc On 15/10/12 17:25, Miles, Simon wrote: > Hi Luc, > It is clearer, thanks. > It does suggest that the DM should be clearer too. Your response to > ISSUE-521 says: 'The group has provided its answer... that there is > not a notion of "adopting a plan"' > while the PROV-DM says 'Agents may adopt plans' > This seems contradictory. > thanks, > Simon > Dr Simon Miles > Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics > Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK > +44 (0)20 7848 1166 > Mapping Dublin Core (Attribution Metadata) to the Open Provenance Model: > http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1386/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk] > *Sent:* 15 October 2012 12:47 > *To:* public-prov-wg@w3.org > *Subject:* Re: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: > Wednesday 10/10) > > Hi Simon > Response refined again: > http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicComments#ISSUE-521_.28Responsibility_Activity.29 > Luc > > On 10/11/2012 03:50 PM, Miles, Simon wrote: >> Hi Luc, >> I think we must be talking at cross-purposes or I've misunderstood >> something. >> The reviewer comments in ISSUE-521, linked below, don't mention >> "wasAdoptedBy". The second paragraph is the question I don't think is >> explicitly answered. >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-prov-wg/2012Sep/0111.html >> thanks, >> Simon >> Dr Simon Miles >> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics >> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK >> +44 (0)20 7848 1166 >> Transparent Provenance Derivation for User Decisions: >> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1400/ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk] >> *Sent:* 11 October 2012 15:39 >> *To:* public-prov-wg@w3.org >> *Subject:* Re: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: >> Wednesday 10/10) >> >> Hi Simon, >> The author of 503 explicitly mentions a relation "wasAdoptedBy" that >> is missing from the spec. >> We argue that it is not missing. >> I don't understand what you are suggesting. >> Luc >> >> On 10/11/2012 03:22 PM, Miles, Simon wrote: >>> Hi Luc, >>> That's fine for ISSUE-522, but I still don't think ISSUE-521/503 >>> answers the question raised. >>> The PROV-DM says: >>> "Agents may adopt plans, i.e. sets of actions or steps, to achieve >>> their goals in the context of an activity." >>> The reviewer asked: >>> "can activities adopt a plan when acting as an agent, or can only >>> entity agents adopt plans?" >>> As far as I'm aware from the DM, the answer is "yes, agents that are >>> activities can adopt plans". I suggest we should say this explicitly >>> in the response. ISSUE-503 seems to answer an unrelated question, >>> about a proposed wasAdoptedBy relation. >>> thanks, >>> Simon >>> Dr Simon Miles >>> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics >>> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK >>> +44 (0)20 7848 1166 >>> Transparent Provenance Derivation for User Decisions: >>> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1400/ >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> *From:* Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk] >>> *Sent:* 11 October 2012 13:27 >>> *To:* public-prov-wg@w3.org >>> *Subject:* Re: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: >>> Wednesday 10/10) >>> >>> >>> On 10/09/2012 04:12 PM, Miles, Simon wrote: >>>> Hello Luc, >>>> >>>> Responses to responses... >>>> >>>> .... >>>> >>>> ISSUE-521: >>>> I was not clear how this or ISSUE-503 answer the question "can activities adopt a plan?" I assume the answer is "yes", in that any wasAssociatedWith relation can include a plan. Could we add an explicit answer to this question? >>> Response to ISSUE-503 indicated: >>> /Hence, there is no need for a separate wasAdoptedBy relation./ >>> >>>> ISSUE-522: >>>> Similarly to above, I could not see an answer to whether activities could delegate. I assume the answer is "yes", and that the confusion of the reviewer comes from the fact (previously discussed in telecon) that "delegation" is not a perfect word to express what we mean, as it has the connotation of authority, which entities can have but activities don't obviously have. >>> I have updated the text in 521 as follows: >>> >>> /Given this, it is legal to write the following, in which a2 acted >>> on behalf of a1, where a2 and a1 are activities, but the type of a2 >>> and a1 can also be inferred to be agent./ >>> >>> >>>> .... >>> >>> Luc >>> >>>> thanks, >>>> Simon >>>> >>>> Dr Simon Miles >>>> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics >>>> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK >>>> +44 (0)20 7848 1166 >>>> >>>> Transparent Provenance Derivation for User Decisions: >>>> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1400/ >>>> ________________________________________ >>>> From: Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk] >>>> Sent: 08 October 2012 15:06 >>>> To:public-prov-wg@w3.org >>>> Subject: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: Wednesday 10/10) >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> At >>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicComments#PROV-DM_.28Under_Review.29, >>>> please find our proposed responses to public comments: >>>> - ISSUE-530 >>>> - ISSUE-520 >>>> - ISSUE-521 >>>> - ISSUE-522 >>>> - ISSUE-509 >>>> - ISSUE-526 >>>> - ISSUE-502 >>>> >>>> They will become the group responses unless we hear objects by Wednesday >>>> 10/10. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Luc >>>> >>>> PS. To help tracker, please include only the relevant issue number when >>>> responding. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Professor Luc Moreau >>>> Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 >>>> University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 >>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk >>>> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm >>> >>> -- >>> Professor Luc Moreau >>> Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 >>> University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 >>> Southampton SO17 1BJ email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk >>> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm >>> >> >> -- >> Professor Luc Moreau >> Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 >> University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 >> Southampton SO17 1BJ email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk >> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm >> > > -- > Professor Luc Moreau > Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 > University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 > Southampton SO17 1BJ email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk > United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm > -- Professor Luc Moreau Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 Southampton SO17 1BJ email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk United Kingdom http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
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