Re: ISSUE-595: Prov-xml subtyping needs to be marked in the document

Hi,

Why do we define the prov:type attribute to include the definitions of
prov? Isn't it clear from the specs that there is subtyping. As an
implementor I know that wasRevisionOf is a subtype of wasDerivedFrom?

Thanks
Paul


On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>wrote:

> Hi Stephan,
>
> I think I concur with your conclusion: it may end up making tooling
> complex. Plus, the third way of writing things:
>
> <proc:agent xsi:type="prov:Person" prov:id="ex:e"/>
>
> Professor Luc Moreau
> Electronics and Computer Science
> University of Southampton
> Southampton SO17 1BJ
> United Kingdom
>
> On 20 Nov 2012, at 01:09, "Stephan Zednik" <zednis@rpi.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Nov 19, 2012, at 5:36 PM, Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Stephan,
> >>
> >> It looks like a reasonable approach. Can we handle the case where a
> quotation is also a revision? Or a person also an organisation? ( not sure
> ths is all very meaningful, but this is valid).
> >
> > If I remember correctly that was one of the modeling issues that lead us
> to follow the PROV-N lead on sub-typing.
> >
> > The following is still valid
> >
> > <prov:person prov:id="ex:foo" >
> >  <prov:type xsi:type="xsd:QName">prov:Organization</prov:type>
> > </prov:person>
> >
> > I left prov:type as it was so all previous PROV-XML examples are still
> valid.   The 'a now b' examples from my previous email should be considered
> equivalent.  We now have two ways of declaring something is a person,
> revision, quotation, etc. whereas before we only had one.
> >
> > This seems like it would complicate tooling so I am not sure it as
> cut-and-dry the best direction as it would first seem.
> >
> > --Stephan
> >
> >>
> >> Professor Luc Moreau
> >> Electronics and Computer Science
> >> University of Southampton
> >> Southampton SO17 1BJ
> >> United Kingdom
> >>
> >> On 20 Nov 2012, at 00:02, "Stephan Zednik" <zednis@rpi.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have made notes in the PROV-XML Note document that examples of
> sub-typing are under discussion and may change in the future.
> >>>
> >>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/rev/78a059d12dd2
> >>>
> >>> I have also created a copy of the existing schema with new
> complexTypes and elements for Person, Organization, SoftwareAgent,
> Collection, EmptyCollection, Plan, Revision, Quotation, and PrimarySource.
> >>>
> >>>
> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/49d63187fb7f/xml/schema/prov.alt.xsd
> >>>
> >>> This is to address feedback raised on reliance on prov:type to express
> the above entity and derivation sub-typing.
> >>>
> >>> The new complex types use xs:extension to extend existing complexTypes.
> >>>
> >>> Two examples:
> >>>
> >>> <xs:complexType name="Person">
> >>>  <xs:complexContent>
> >>>    <xs:extension base="prov:Agent">
> >>>    </xs:extension>
> >>>  </xs:complexContent>
> >>> </xs:complexType>
> >>>
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> <xs:complexType name="Revision">
> >>>  <xs:complexContent>
> >>>    <xs:extension base="prov:Derivation">
> >>>      <!-- add any additional properties here -->
> >>>    </xs:extension>
> >>>  </xs:complexContent>
> >>> </xs:complexType>
> >>>
> >>> These changes lead to the following simplifications on our XML
> serialization:
> >>>
> >>> <prov:agent prov:id="ex:Paolo">
> >>>  <prov:type xsi:type="xsd:QName">prov:Person</prov:type>
> >>> </prov:agent>
> >>>
> >>> could now be modeled as
> >>>
> >>> <prov:person prov:id="ex:Paolo" />
> >>>
> >>> and
> >>>
> >>> <prov:wasDerivedFrom>
> >>>  <prov:generatedEntity prov:ref="tr:WD-prov-dm-20111215"/>
> >>>  <prov:usedEntity prov:ref="tr:WD-prov-dm-20111018"/>
> >>>  <prov:type xsi:type="xsd:QName">prov:Revision</prov:type>
> >>> </prov:wasDerivedFrom>
> >>>
> >>> could now be modeled as
> >>>
> >>> <prov:wasRevisionOf>
> >>>  <prov:generatedEntity prov:ref="tr:WD-prov-dm-20111215"/>
> >>>  <prov:usedEntity prov:ref="tr:WD-prov-dm-20111018"/>
> >>> </prov:wasRevisionOf>
> >>>
> >>> What does the group think of this approach?
> >>>
> >>> --Stephan
> >>>
> >>> On Nov 9, 2012, at 11:53 AM, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker <
> sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> ISSUE-595: Prov-xml subtyping needs to be marked in the document
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/595
> >>>>
> >>>> Raised by:
> >>>> On product:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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