- From: Stephan Zednik <zednis@rpi.edu>
- Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 14:33:29 -0600
- To: Stian Soiland-Reyes <soiland-reyes@cs.manchester.ac.uk>
- Cc: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>, Jun Zhao <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk>, Provenance Working Group WG <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Ah, I thought Tim was talking about the versionIRI, not the versionInfo versionInfo to release HTML. versionIRI to release OWL. --Stephan On May 7, 2012, at 2:26 PM, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: > I believe version IRI should always go totally to the OWL file. > > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 7:47 PM, Stephan Zednik <zednis@rpi.edu> wrote: >> >> On May 7, 2012, at 11:52 AM, Timothy Lebo wrote: >> >>> Jun, >>> >>> One additional note… >>> >>> >>> On May 7, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Timothy Lebo wrote: >>> >>>> Jun, >>>> >>>> We were able to discuss the idea of timestamping prov.owl in our call today. >>>> >>>> If you look at: >>>> >>>> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/WD-prov-o-2012MMDD/ontology/ProvenanceOntology.owl >>>> >>>> you will see: >>>> >>>> <owl:versionInfo rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-prov-o-2012MMDD"/> >>> >>> This will resolve to the PROV-O HTML page that describes the release, e.g.: >>> >>> http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-prov-o-20120503 >> >> Do we use any content negotiation? What if http://www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-prov-o-20120503 was requested with a content type of "RDF/XML"? >> >> --Stephan >> >>> >>> -Tim >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Since this is in the owl file, it will allow anyone with the file to know which working draft (or release) the owl file represents. >>>> >>>> >>>> I've added notes to [1] so that this will be done upon the future releases. >>>> >>>> Will this satisfy your needs? May we close the issue? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> [1] http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/PIL_OWL_Ontology#Steps_taken_for_LC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 7, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Timothy Lebo wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jun, >>>>> >>>>> I am happy to help settle the versioning issues with the OWL ontology, >>>>> but I'm afraid that I'm not sure what your concerns are. >>>>> >>>>> We have three options: >>>>> >>>>> 1) hg tag the OWL file >>>>> 2) add to the prov-o html automation to reference the OWL version that it is documenting >>>>> 3) <> owl:versionURI >>>>> >>>>> Could you please clarify your concerns so that we can scope the effort to address them? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 5, 2012, at 7:48 AM, Paul Groth wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This seems good. Stian can you add it? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> Paul >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Jun Zhao <jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> On 03/05/2012 11:02, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote: >>>>>>>> Don't you think the OWL should contain something like >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <> owl:versionIRI >>>>>>>> <www.w3.org/TR/2012/WD-prov-o-20120501/ProvenanceOntology.owl> ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Stian, yes, we should also have that! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- Jun >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would +1 that as people like myself will download the OWL locally >>>>>>>> for processing with say Sesame-Elmo, and it later will be important to >>>>>>>> know which one it is based on. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We just need to know the magic date to add it in advance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Jun Zhao<jun.zhao@zoo.ox.ac.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am happy with what we will do with the public release. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And dealing with versioning for internal releases can wait if you are >>>>>>>>> overwhelmed by other commitment at the moment. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- Jun >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 02/05/2012 00:27, Tim Lebo wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Jun, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The prov.owl will be "copied" to the official w3c website directory when >>>>>>>>>> the WD2 is published on Thursday, so there will be no question about what >>>>>>>>>> OWL file the HTML is talking about. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hopefully, the "dereferencability problem" (which paul took on and we >>>>>>>>>> asked Daniel to help with) will be addressed soon, which will provide the >>>>>>>>>> latest OWL when requesting the terms' URIs. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If we want to be explicit about what version of the ontology the HTML is >>>>>>>>>> taking about, I can look into exposing that within every compiled draft up >>>>>>>>>> to LC that is due in a few weeks. But generally, these are always in sync >>>>>>>>>> because the ontology changes less frequently and the HTML is generated much >>>>>>>>>> more frequently. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please let me know which aspects you need most, so that we can address the >>>>>>>>>> right issues soon. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2012, at 11:38, Provenance Working Group Issue >>>>>>>>>> Tracker<sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> PROV-ISSUE-371 (junzhao): timestamped provo.owl [PROV-O HTML] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/371 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Raised by: Jun Zhao >>>>>>>>>>> On product: PROV-O HTML >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Can we talk about when or whether we will have snapshots for our >>>>>>>>>>> ontology, like ProvenanceOntology-20120430.owl? Or achieve similar >>>>>>>>>>> functionality via other mechanisms? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Because our ontology is still work in progress, it is important to have >>>>>>>>>>> the right ontology content associated with each prov-o spec public release >>>>>>>>>>> or even work draft. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think this would be something really nice to have at least for this >>>>>>>>>>> upcoming public release. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I am happy to discuss more on this. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- Jun >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >>>>>> Assistant Professor >>>>>> Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group >>>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section >>>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>>> VU University Amsterdam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > > > -- > Stian Soiland-Reyes, myGrid team > School of Computer Science > The University of Manchester > >
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