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Re: PROV-ISSUE-395: Rename hadOriginalSource to "originatedFrom"? [prov-dm]

From: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 10:13:30 -0400
Cc: Provenance Working Group <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <02ECF24D-2B6F-444F-A899-9DA519C07A37@rpi.edu>
To: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>

On Jun 5, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Paul Groth wrote:

> This is the same intent as the google definition of original source in
> my reading of their post. I would consider  primary source but think
> original source has some history of usage on the web already.

Where on the web is "original source" used?
Blogging? 

Anywhere else?
I'm not a blogger, and I haven't seen "original source".

Thanks,
Tim


> 
> cheers
> Paul
> 
> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Paul Groth wrote:
>> 
>>> Yeah, orginalsource had the meaning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source
>> 
>> Oh, did we shift from the meaning taken from that Google Blog about journalism ?
>> (which, I can't find in any public draft, so I guess "yes")
>> 
>> I like the description at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source     __much__ better,
>> I had no idea that that was the intent of hadOriginalSource.
>> 
>> Since wikipedia choose the name "primary", perhaps we should too.
>> I would be in favor of renaming:
>> 
>>      hadOriginalSource -> hadPrimarySource
>> 
>> Now that I understand the concept, I'd rather this than the "originatedFrom", which is drastically different.
>> 
>>> 
>>> To me a "big change" now is changing stuff that has been in the spec
>>> in a number of drafts. I won't really argue hard but I want to be
>>> convinced that this is worth it.
>> 
>> That's reasonable. But perhaps it indicates that the bigger problems are out of the way now :-)
>> 
>> -Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Paul
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:54 AM, Paul Groth wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Tim,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't think hadOriginalSource and originatedFrom convey the same
>>>>> meaning.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think that they are pretty close in meaning, and one follows the naming style more appropriately.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> I am also a bit concerned about doing these big renames of
>>>>> things.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> How do you measure "big"?
>>>> 
>>>> -Tim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> cheers
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker
>>>>> <sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>> PROV-ISSUE-395: Rename hadOriginalSource to "originatedFrom"? [prov-dm]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/395
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Raised by: Timothy Lebo
>>>>>> On product: prov-dm
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> DM editors,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Could hadOriginalSource be renamed to "originatedFrom" ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think it follows the "wasDerivedFrom" naming a little more closely, and avoids an exception to PROV-O's "has" naming convention.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then, perhaps the Involvement "Source" could be renamed "Origin"?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And qualifiedSource would become qualifiedOrigin.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think that this naming is a little more natural.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (yes, this is phrased in terms of PROV-O, but an issue on DM; probably best product would be mapping prov-dm <->  prov-o...)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Tim
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>> Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group
>>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section
>>>>> Department of Computer Science
>>>>> VU University Amsterdam
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> --
>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
>>> Assistant Professor
>>> Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group
>>> Artificial Intelligence Section
>>> Department of Computer Science
>>> VU University Amsterdam
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> --
> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
> Assistant Professor
> Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group
> Artificial Intelligence Section
> Department of Computer Science
> VU University Amsterdam
> 
> 
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