Re: Relationship between PROV-O and PROV-DM from Graham Klyne on 2012-07-12 (public-prov-wg@w3.org from July 2012)

From: Graham Klyne <Graham.Klyne@zoo.ox.ac.uk>
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2012 14:53:31 +0100
To: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>
CC: "public-prov-wg@w3.org Group WG" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Message-ID: <4FFED6DB.7080900@zoo.ox.ac.uk>
On 11/07/2012 18:50, Timothy Lebo wrote:
> Graham,
>
> On Jul 10, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Graham Klyne wrote:
>
>> On 10/07/2012 17:35, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote:
>>>
>>
>> I think there's a bit of a gap in the family of specifications if the mapping isn't clear as part of the REC set.  I thought the whole idea was that PROV-DM/PROV-N defined a technology neutral model, and PROV-O was the RDF/OWL realization of that model.  For that to work, we have to know what are the precise correspondences.
>>
>> I don't think we need to describe a mechanical translation process, which I think contributes to the bulk of the wiki page.  I think a table of PROV-N forms and corresponding RDF forms would cover it.  Maybe as an appendix of the PROV-O document, or woven into the cross-reference?
>
>
> Is it not "woven into the cross-reference" already?
> http://aquarius.tw.rpi.edu/prov-wg/prov-o

It may be, but that wasn't apparent to me when I read my paper copy.

Also, that really only provides a one-way mapping (from PROV-O to PROV-DM, etc.) 
I think what's more important here is to be clear how a single PROV-DM concept 
gets covered by multiple PROV-O terms.

This reminds me of another issue I wanted to raise - I think some of my comments 
may have been due to an over-reliance on hyperlinks in the text.  Hyperlinks are 
good, but I think they should also indicate visually how to find what it is they 
link to, because not everyone will be reading an electronic copy.

#g
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> There are 77 links from prov-o to DM in the cross reference (these are derived from the annotations within the OWL file itself)
>
> bash-3.2$ grep "as in<a" prov-o.html
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Activity">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-agent">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-entity">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-delegation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-End">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Start">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Usage">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Association">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-attribution">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Derivation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Generation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Communication">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-bundle-entity">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-collection">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-collection-membership">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-collection-membership">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-attribute-location">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-agent">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-agent">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-agent">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-alternate">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-mention">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-attribute-location">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Generation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Generation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-collection">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-primary-source">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-influence">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Invalidation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Invalidation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-mention">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-specialization">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-attribute-value">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-End">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Invalidation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-quotation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-revision">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Start">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Association">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-attribution">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Communication">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-delegation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Derivation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-End">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Generation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-influence">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Invalidation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-collection-membership">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Association">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-quotation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-revision">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-attribute-role">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-primary-source">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Start">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Usage">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Activity">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Generation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Association">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-attribute-role">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Usage">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-influence">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Association">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-attribution">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Communication">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-delegation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Derivation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-End">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Generation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-influence">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Invalidation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-collection-membership">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-quotation">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-revision">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-primary-source">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Start">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-Usage">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
>          as in<a title="prov-dm" href="http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/model/prov-dm.html#term-influence">prov-dm</a>       </dd>
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>
>
> Regards,
> Tim
>
>
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>> I haven't previously been following the PROV-O work so closely, because I thought plenty of others were doing that, so didn't notice this previously.
>>
>> I think it's a potentially serious issue that we need to consider:  why are we producing multiple REC-track specifications if we are not being quite clear about how they relate to each other?  I'd be surprised if this isn't picked up in last-call -- if it isn't, I'd be suspicious that we are not getting enough serious external review.
>>
>> #g
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