Re: PROV-ISSUE-352 (rename-WasQuotedFrom): A better name for wasQuotedFrom [prov-dm]

Hi Luc,
hmmm and what about my other suggestion, "hadQuoteFrom" ?


Thanks,
Daniel

2012/4/19 Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>

>  Daniel,
> We started with wasQuoteOf
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/WD-prov-dm-20111018/#quotation
> But moved away because not clear.
>
>  Luc
>
>
> Professor Luc Moreau
> Electronics and Computer Science
> University of Southampton
> Southampton SO17 1BJ
> United Kingdom
>
> On 19 Apr 2012, at 17:39, "Daniel Garijo" <dgarijo@delicias.dia.fi.upm.es>
> wrote:
>
>   Hi Luc,
> the definition on DM is very clear to me.
>
> What makes me feel a bit unconfortable is that while I can understand what
> is on the domain
> and what is on the range on each of the other properties, for this one I
> think it is a bit confusing.
> (When I say domain and range, I refer to what is being quoted (original)
> and what is the quote).
>
> I have asked 3 colleagues in my lab to tell me what did they think they
> were the range and the domain
> of the property with an example, (without looking at the definition of the
> DM). One of them agreed with the DM,
> another one guessed wrong and the last one encouraged me to change the
> naming because "it made
> no much sense" to him.
>
> I'm not sure if users that assert scruffy provenance will come to the DM
> to read all the definitions,
> and that is why to make sure this kind of things are very clear for
> everyone. Thus, I don't propose
> to change the definitions, I just suggest to rename "wasQuotedFrom" to
> either:
> "wasQuoteOf" or "hadQuoteFrom".
>
> Thanks,
> Daniel
>
> 2012/4/19 Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
>
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> This is the current definition of quotation. Is there still a concern
>> with it?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Luc
>>
>> 4.3.3 Quotation
>>
>> A quotation is the repeat of (some or all of) an entity, such as text or
>> image, by someone other than its original author.
>>
>> Quotation is a particular case of derivation in which entity e2 is
>> derived from an original entity e1 by copying, or "quoting", some or all of
>> it. A quotation relation, written wasQuotedFrom(id,e2,e1,ag2,**ag1,attrs)
>> in PROV-N, has:
>>
>> id: an optional identifier for the relation;
>> quote: an identifier (e2) for the entity that represents the quote (the
>> partial copy);
>> original: an identifier (e1) for the original entity being quoted;
>> quoterAgent: an optional identifier (ag2) for the agent who performs the
>> quote;
>> originalAgent: an optional identifier (ag1) for the agent to whom the
>> original entity is attributed;
>> attributes: an optional set (attrs) of attribute-value pairs representing
>> additional information about this relation.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/19/2012 11:28 AM, Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker wrote:
>>
>>> PROV-ISSUE-352 (rename-WasQuotedFrom): A better name for wasQuotedFrom
>>> [prov-dm]
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/**track/issues/352<http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/352>
>>>
>>> Raised by: Daniel Garijo
>>> On product: prov-dm
>>>
>>> Currently, the DM says:
>>> A quotation record, written wasQuotedFrom(e2,e1,ag2,ag1,**attrs) in
>>> PROV-ASN, contains:
>>>     quote: an identifier e2, identifying an entity record that
>>> represents the quote;
>>>     quoted: an identifier e1, identifying an entity record representing
>>> what is being quoted;
>>> ...
>>>
>>> However, if we say that e2 wasQuotedFrom e1 it may look like entity e1
>>> is the one quoting e2 (since we are saying that e2 was quoted).
>>>
>>> I think it would be more clear if we rename the property with e2
>>> wasQuoteOf e1, or e2 hadQuoteFrom e1.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>  --
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>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
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>>
>>
>>
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