Re: hadMember and wasInfluencedBy

Thanks Tim, done

Ivan

> On 26 Jun 2015, at 16:22 , Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
> 
> Ivan,
> 
> I was reviewing my collection of issues on PROV,
> and I found that we haven’t closed this one out.
> 
> Could you publish a change to http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/errata.html ?
> 
> 
> It appears that the errata entry that I proposed [1] is acceptable to the list (based on this thread).
> There is only one diff between my proposed latest version of the errata.html [2] and the one currently at http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/errata.html
> 
> Thanks for your consideration.
> 
> Regards,
> Tim
> 
> [1] https://github.com/timrdf/prov-wg/commit/52683ab01c1900efc0053405f08986c46e531bf1#diff-6c9ca8508d7852cabade9f2a02537d63
> [2] https://github.com/timrdf/prov-wg/blob/master/errata.html
> 
> 
>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 12:44 PM, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> James,
>> 
>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 11:30 AM, James Cheney <jcheney@inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> That looks fine to me, if I'm rendering the markup correctly in my head.
>> 
>> The page renders if you download the file and view there.
>> 
>>> 
>>> Is there some versioning of prov-o.owl that will reflect this change?
>> 
>> Yes. To be done at some point in late August.
>> The issue is still outstanding at https://github.com/timrdf/prov-wg/issues/2
>> 
>>>  I strongly suspect no one has done anything that this change will break, but not sure what best practice is here.
>> 
>> That’s partly why I’m postponing the changes to the OWL, since I need more time than I currently have to work through the change control.
>> 
>> -Tim
>> 
>>> 
>>> --James
>>> 
>>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I don’t think the errata statement should mention the OWL, since it is non normative and will soon be updated.
>>>> 
>>>> How about: https://github.com/timrdf/prov-wg/commit/52683ab01c1900efc0053405f08986c46e531bf1
>>>> it follows the pattern of the previous errata.
>>>> 
>>>> If okay, then Ivan can put https://github.com/timrdf/prov-wg/blob/master/errata.html at http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/errata.html
>>>> If not okay, fork it and propose the change.
>>>> 
>>>> My notes for the change process are at https://github.com/timrdf/prov-wg/wiki/PROV-errata
>>>> 
>>>> -Tim
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This looks good to me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 4:31 PM, James Cheney <jcheney@inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't think it is urgent; I just wanted to make sure I hadn't gone crazy, and make sure there is a note of this somewhere.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Would a one-line errata statement of the form:
>>>>> 
>>>>> "In the PROV-O recommendation and associated OWL ontology, prov:hadMember is incorrectly asserted to be a subproperty of prov:wasInfluencedBy, and this assertion should be removed in any future version."
>>>>> 
>>>>> be enough?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --James
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 23, 2014, at 3:09 PM, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> > James, Luc,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We have a small collection of errata and OWL tweaks to make, but I haven’t had the time to design and set up the change control process.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you’d like to write up the errata statement, I’m sure Ivan can get it into the errata document.
>>>>> > But I’m afraid I’ll be holding up the OWL change until I can get to it in late August.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>> > Tim
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Jul 23, 2014, at 5:27 AM, James Cheney <jcheney@inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Hi,
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Good, that's what I thought but I could not find an issue discussing this.  I just found the discussion you refer to:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/meeting/2012-07-12#Collection_membership
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The related resolution about hadMember is a little ambiguous, but it seems clear from context that the intent was that hadMember not be considered a type of influence.  Following Ivan's response, I guess this means a short erratum for prov-o (and maybe a fix to the actual owl file)?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --James
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Jul 23, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Hi James
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> We explicitly agreed that membership was not a subtype of influence (or derivation) and would also remain binary.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>> >>> Electronics and Computer Science
>>>>> >>> University of Southampton
>>>>> >>> Southampton SO17 1BJ
>>>>> >>> United Kingdom
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> On 22 Jul 2014, at 18:41, "James Cheney" <jcheney@inf.ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Hi,
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I was just working on something involving PROV-O and noticed that the ontology makes hadMember a subproperty of wasInfluencedBy.  However, the constraints and semantics do not include this constraint/inference (see Inference 15 http://www.w3.org/TR/prov-constraints/#influence-inference).
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I can't find any email or issues regarding this.  Was taking hadMember to be a subproperty of influence an intentional decision at some point (that I missed in writing the constraints)?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> I think it may affect validity.  If hadMember is an influence then it cannot be part of a strict cycle of influences (i.e. one that includes a derivation step).
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> If so, is this something that needs to be fixed at some point (and is there a way to make a note of this for future reference)?
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> --James
>>>>> >>>> --
>>>>> >>>> The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in
>>>>> >>>> Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --
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>>>>> >> Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
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>>>>> Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>> - Web & Media Group | Department of Computer Science
>>>>> - The Network Institute
>>>>> VU University Amsterdam
>>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Scotland, with registration number SC005336.
>> 
> 
> Timothy Lebo
> lebot@rpi.edu
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