- From: Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>
- Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 06:42:18 -0400
- To: "public-pointer-events@w3.org" <public-pointer-events@w3.org>
On 5/7/13 12:45 PM, ext Arthur Barstow wrote: > The draft minutes from the May 7 voice conference are available at > <http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-pointerevents-irc> and copied below. > > (RRAgent, didn't create the "normal" minutes so these minutes are a > pretty-printed IRC log for the first 28 mins and then a copy from my > Adium log.) The "normal" minutes are now available <http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-pointerevents-minutes.html> and copied below. -AB [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ - DRAFT - Pointer Events WG Voice Conference 07 May 2013 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0138.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-pointerevents-irc Attendees Present Art_Barstow, Jacob_Rossi, Asir_Vedamuthu, Scott_Gonzαlez, Matt_Brubeck, Doug_Schepers Regrets Rick_Byers Chair Art Scribe Art Contents * [4]Topics 1. [5]Getting started 2. [6]Developers confuse the original MS PE submission for the current spec 3. [7]Tracking Comments during Candidate Recommendation 4. [8]pointermove dispatching when button state changes 5. [9]MSPointer implementation only dispatches mousemove when hovering 6. [10]Testing 7. [11]Any other Business * [12]Summary of Action Items __________________________________________________________ <scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB <scribe> Scribe: Art <jrossi2> Art: I'm muted hang on... Getting started AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday [13]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 013AprJun/0138.html. ... since Rick sent regrets for today, I propose we drop item #3 in the draft ("Impact of pointer capture on pointerover/pointerout events") and replace it with a short discussion about tracking comments during Candidate Recommendation. Any objections to that? [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0138.html. [ none ] AB: any other change requests? [ none ] Developers confuse the original MS PE submission for the current spec AB: Rick Byers started this thread [14]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 013AprJun/0118.html ... I believe Doug agreed to work with Jacob to take care of this. Is that correct Doug? [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0118.html JR: the action is on me to provide an updated doc via Michael Champion one open question is can we update the existing Submission or not and just add a link to the group's spec <scribe> ACTION: jacob work with Microsoft's AC rep on updating the PE Member Submission [recorded in [15]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion01] <trackbot> Created ACTION-41 - Work with Microsoft's AC rep on updating the PE Member Submission [on Jacob Rossi - due 2013-05-14]. Tracking Comments during Candidate Recommendation AB: since the time we agreed to publish a CR, a few comments have been submitted and we should consider them CR comments. ... regardless of the state of the spec, the group is always obligated to reply all comments. and we've done a great job of that already AB: during CR, I don't think we are _required_ to create a Disposition of Comments like we did for LC but we need to be diligent to address all comments, in some form. JR: I think it would be helpful to be more diligent on Issues helpful to look at issues and Bugzilla nice to look at the issues that were raised AB: so, do we want to create a bug if the spec changes as a result of a comment? JR: yes AV: if we create a CR target on Bugzilla, it make it easy to target bugs against the CR AB: do we need to create some type of label? AV: there is a field for tracking docs perhaps Doug know about how to do that with Bugzilla? DS: I haven't used it for that purpose JR: I think we need to add versions <scribe> ACTION: barstow get a "CR" version created for the Pointer Events CR [recorded in [16]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion02] <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Get a "CR" version created for the Pointer Events CR [on Arthur Barstow - due 2013-05-14]. DRAFT RESOLUTION: we will use Bugzilla to track CR comments that result in spec changes AB: any comments on that Draft? RESOLUTION: we will use Bugzilla to track CR comments that result in spec changes AB: anything else re admin tasks for CR, Doug? DS: no, I don't think so we need to do Impl Report and Tests and we already know about that we haven't marked anything "At Risk" we've already talked about v2 so I think things our "pretty standard" JR: that all sounds right pointermove dispatching when button state changes AB: Scott started this thread [17]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 013AprJun/0134.html and Jacob replied [18]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 013AprJun/0141.html. [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0134.html [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0141.html. SG: seems unclear there is no move when a button is clicked JR: yeah, I think the sentence in ptrmove is ambiguous need to take care of the case where there is no up or down event SG: should we just add a sentence that adds the exception? JR: yes SG: if move cause down, need to clarify JR: yes, I can make that change AB: so, you'll create a bug for this Jacob? JR: yes, I'll do that MSPointer implementation only dispatches mousemove when hovering AB: Scott started this thread [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 013AprJun/0135.html ... it appears to identify a bug in IE [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0135.html JR: yes, it's a bug we still fire the hover event expect to align with the spec SG: agree, we don't need to discuss here AB: any need for spec tightening? SG: no, I don't think so I was looking for clarification (they have a hover event which is not in the spec) Testing AB: CfC to move tests to GitHub [20]https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/tree/master/point erevents passed. [20] https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/tree/master/pointerevents SG: I have a question about the GH repo there is a PR from Nokia <jrossi2> regarding pointermove and property changes: [21]https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21951 [21] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=21951 not sure about the status of that What is the process for review, merge, etc.? Not sure how this PR is handled? AB: those are all good questions Scott we need to define our workflow including, who is going to do what would like to hear from Matt MB: I need to do some homework re W3C's GH repo I can read up on that I expect submissions are PRs comments can be made on the list or in the PRs JR: work with MikeSmith and Robin re permissions I think you want to get setup with perms MB: yes, I'll do that SG: with Hg, there was submissions and with GH, that doesn't appear to be used JR: with GH, branches are used instead of submissions SG: so, there is no submissions directory on GH JR: yes, I think so but Matt can help us figure this out AV: after someone submits, there should be some review but approval need to separate WG's workflow from GH's workflow SG: I agree, PRs can serve as submissions <mbrubeck> +1 <asir> where PR = Pull Request AB: need to figure out how to watch for just pointerevents changes SG: don't think that can be done directly with GH will get notifications for all PRs to webplatform-tests AB: here is Rebecca's doc [22]http://testthewebforward.org/resources/github_test_submissi on.html [22] http://testthewebforward.org/resources/github_test_submission.html WebApps and HTML WGs will use as a guide and we should use it too unless we really have some specific constraints or reqs AB: Asir mentioned we want to agree on review and approval process AV: this doc has a section on Submit that mentions specific WG processes JR: this doc doesn't really address how the WG does its reviews and approvals that is left to the WG to define AV: yes, that is correct JR: the undefined steps are accepting the PR and merging into the master we can define that ourselves but we should learn from what other groups are doing AB: that makes perfect sense to me JR: Matt, can you take an action on this? <scribe> ACTION: matt make a proposal re how to accept Pull Requests and merge them to the master [recorded in [23]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion03] <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Make a proposal re how to accept Pull Requests and merge them to the master [on Matt Brubeck - due 2013-05-14]. AB: one thing I wanted to mention is ATT tests [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-testtwf/2013May/ 0000.html [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-testtwf/2013May/0000.html and I think DaveM from jQuery has done some work too AB: Scott will you submit a PR for your HG submission? SG: yes, I'll do that and I'll work with DaveM to get his PR to pointerevents repo AB: anything else on testing? JR: I don't see AT&T listed as a WG member do they need to be a member of the group to submit tests? DS: there are various ways to handle this indeed being a WG member is easiest but anyone can submit a test JR: oh, yeah, there is form for that right? DS: yes JR: I recall TTWF participants had to sign that form AB: ok, so we should be fine then JR: yes, I think so Any other Business AB: Director approved the publication of a Pointer Events Candidate Recommendation and that CR should be published on May 9 <asir> Congratulations to the WG!! AB: F2F meeting @ TPAC 2013 in Shenzhen, China Nov 11-15? [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2 013AprJun/0128.html. I've heard some support. Any comments, feedback, concerns, etc.? [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0128.html. AV: if we were to meet, what would we do? re the agenda and goal? AB: good question AV: I think it would be good to meet but not sure we want to wait until November e.g. get together for interop and testing work DS: we could meet in China e.g. to discuss things about v2 AB: I don't feel strongly either way AV: so if this is about securing a spot, maybe we can think about this as tentative DS: yes, there is a bit of that AB: based on what I know now, I don't think we will have a need to meet DS: if we think we will need to talk to other groups, then meeting at TPAC can be useful and do we anticipate that need 6 months from now? groups that we depend on or groups that depend on us There is some serendipity that happens too at TPAC The Web Events is one group but we can contact them other ways The Indie UI WG is another potential group and I don't know about the usefulness of meeting with them Another reason to meet is if we can discuss topics with people f2f e.g. manufactures of touch devices DS: so I leave it up to the group AV: are such mfgs members of W3C? DS: not sure but some type of "expo day" could be useful and we could do that via a presentation e.g. @ TPAC slot AB: I propose we don't meet and take advantage of the TP meeting to do a demo about the PE spec MB: sounds good to me AV: sounds good to me too JR: sounds reasonable; it's just too far in advance SG: it's hard to say if there will be a good reason to meet but six months out is too far away JR: and as Doug said, if we find a need to meet earlier, we can do so AV: yes, good idea RESOLUTION: the Pointer Events WG will not meet f2f at the TPAC 2013 AB: any implementation news or status? <jrossi2> New polyfill: [26]http://rich-harris.github.io/Points/ [26] http://rich-harris.github.io/Points/ AB: re next meeting, we'll have a call when there are sufficient topics Meeting Adjourned , bye shepazu - yt? RRSAgent is updating the minutes Summary of Action Items [NEW] ACTION: barstow get a "CR" version created for the Pointer Events CR [recorded in [27]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion02] [NEW] ACTION: jacob work with Microsoft's AC rep on updating the PE Member Submission [recorded in [28]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion01] [NEW] ACTION: matt make a proposal re how to accept Pull Requests and merge them to the master [recorded in [29]http://www.w3.org/2013/05/07-pointerevents-minutes.html#act ion03] [End of minutes]
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