Re: Draft minutes: 2 April 2013 call

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Arthur Barstow <art.barstow@nokia.com>wrote:

> The draft minutes from the April 2 voice conference are available at <
> http://www.w3.org/2013/04/02-**pointerevents-minutes.html<http://www.w3.org/2013/04/02-pointerevents-minutes.html>>
> and copied below.
>
> WG Members - if you have any comments, corrections, etc., please send them
> to the public-pointer-events mail list before April 9. In the absence of
> any changes, these minutes will be considered approved.
>
> -Thanks, ArtB
>
> [1]W3C
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/
>
> - DRAFT -
>
> Pointer Events WG Voice Conference
>
> 02 Apr 2013
>
> [2]Agenda
>
> [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/**Public/public-pointer-events/**
> 2013AprJun/0003.html<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0003.html>
>
> See also: [3]IRC log
>
> [3] http://www.w3.org/2013/04/02-**pointerevents-irc<http://www.w3.org/2013/04/02-pointerevents-irc>
>
> Attendees
>
> Present
> scott_gonzalez, Art_Barstow, Cathy, Matt_Brubeck,
> Doug_Schepers, asir, Cathy_Chan, Scott_González,
> Asir_Vedamuthu, Jacob_Rossi
>
> Regrets
> Rick_Byers, Olli_Pettay
>
> Chair
> Art
>
> Scribe
> Art
>
> Contents
>
> * [4]Topics
> 1. [5]Getting started
> 2. [6]Status of Last Call comment processing
> 3. [7]Moving Pointer Events spec to Candidate
> Recommendation
> 4. [8]Testing: status, plans
> 5. [9]Any other Business
> * [10]Summary of Action Items
> ______________________________**____________________________
>
> <scribe> ScribeNick: ArtB
>
> <scribe> Scribe: Art
>
> Getting started
>
> AB: I posted a draft agenda yesterday
> [11]http://lists.w3.org/**Archives/Public/public-**pointer-events/2<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2>
> 013AprJun/0003.html. The main subject is to discuss the status
> of the LC comment processing.
> ... any change requests?
>
> [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/**Public/public-pointer-events/**
> 2013AprJun/0003.html<http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2013AprJun/0003.html>
> .
>
> Status of Last Call comment processing
>
> AB: Jacob created the comment tracking document
> [12]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/**pointerevents/raw-file/tip/dc.**html<https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/dc.html>
> .
> ... it appears we have replies from everyone except Mose
> Bottacini (#9) and Yandex/Charles (#13-#17).
> ... Asir followed up with Mose and asked him to reply by April
> 8. In the absence of any additional feedback from Mose by the
> 8th, I propose we continue with the group's resolution and not
> block on him.
> ... any concerns Doug?
>
> [12] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/**pointerevents/raw-file/tip/dc.**html<https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/dc.html>
> .
>
> DS: I'm comfortable with that if we can defend it
>
> AB: Jacob replied to him, Asir pinged him again. I think an
> additional week should be reasonable
> ... Rick and I followed up with Charles. Charles indicated in
> IRC today that he will ask Sergey to reply.
> ... Chaals understand we are waiting for him and Yandex to
> reply
> ... anything else on the comment processing?
>
> JR: I would like everyone to please check the Web IDL changes
>
> … I made one change and then committed something different
>
> … Please take a look all
>
> AB: please look at the new IDL changes
>
> <jrossi21>
> [13]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/**pointerevents/raw-file/tip/**pointerEv<https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/pointerEv>
> ents.html#extensions-to-the-**element-interface
>
> [13] https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/**pointerevents/raw-file/tip/**
> pointerEvents.html#extensions-**to-the-element-interface<https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/pointerevents/raw-file/tip/pointerEvents.html#extensions-to-the-element-interface>
>
> … and ask you to reply to the list if you do review
>
> … Want a record that people looked at the change
>

I looked at the WebIDL in section 6 and 7 and it looks fine to me (although
I'm far from an expert).


> Moving Pointer Events spec to Candidate Recommendation
>
> AB: when I created the draft agenda, I was hopeful we would
> have closed the comment loop with all of the `Commenters` and
> thus we would be in a position to determine if we have
> consensus to move the spec to CR.
> ... we aren't quite there yet but might be by next week's call.
>
> Testing: status, plans
>
> AB: any status or news re testing?
> ... it's a bit tricky to create tests when the implementations
> are lacking which is a segue to our next topic ...
>
> Any other Business
>
> AB: any implementation status to share? When can we expect a
> Public version of IE that support the standard?
>
> JR: I can't comment on specific release timeframes
>
> … but we are following the spec closely
>
> … and expect to update our implementation to conform to the
> spec
>
> AB: anything new Matt re Mozilla?
>
> MB: lots of discussion. Main issue is getting resources to work
> on it
>
> AB: any status on the WebKit port
>
> AV: on a weekly basis, we are posting updates
>
> … you can track that on the WebKit forum
>
> AB: do you have an idea when a WebKit-based browser will have
> an impl?
>
> AV: I don't have any dates
>
> … Rick might know more
>
> … that is certainly our goal
>
> AB: so in the mean time, use "MS" prefix
> ... anything else on impl for today?
>
> [ No ]
>
> DS: I talked to some LeapMotion people at SxSW
>
> … they want to make sure it works well with the Web
>
> … LeapMotion is a 3D detector
>
> … I respect JR's comment re z-axis
>
> … There is a lot of buzz/interest re 3D
>
> … Want to know though about the next steps to manage requests
> like this?
>
> … Do we have a v2 feature list?
>
> AB: yes, it is at the bottom of the agenda
>
> DS: do we have a timeframe for v2?
>
> … we have a good idea about v1 status
>
> … have we publized the v2 list?
>
> … can we say "it's X-X number of months before we start v2?"
>
> … it will help with our engagement with folks like LeapMotion
>
> … It could help bring them in
>
> JR: I have also talked to Josh from LeapMotion and Bill
>
> … I think our engagement has been useful
>
> … I now have a LM device
>
> … I think a projection of PE onto 3D can be done
>
> … but there are some issues e.g. coordinate mapping
>
> … I think we have done the right things for v1
>
> … that facilitate the experimentation of other devices
>
> … Re timeline for v2, agree a goal would be "noble"
>
> … but I think we really need to finish v1 first
>
> … Don't want to get distracted from finishing v1
>
> DS: how complete is our test suite?
>
> AB: maybe 1%
>
> DS: so let's set a timeline for the test suite
>
> <jrossi21> Work? who does that!?
>
> … can we identify the assertions, what tests are needed
>
> … understand that without impls, it is a bit hard to write
> tests
>
> … There is a TestTheWebForward
>
> MB: I can go to that since it is in Seattle
>
> <jrossi21>
> [14]http://testthewebforward.**org/events/seattle-2013.html<http://testthewebforward.org/events/seattle-2013.html>
>
> [14] http://testthewebforward.org/**events/seattle-2013.html<http://testthewebforward.org/events/seattle-2013.html>
>
> <jrossi21> I should be there.
>
> DS: would be good if some of us went to that event and asked
> for help
>
> … need to know which tests we need
>
> … could get some good tests
>
> … Need to take steps to correct the test definciency
>
> AB: agree it would be useful to tease out specific actions for
> the test suite
>
> … FYI, Cathy made good progress on the Test Assertion document
>
> <Cathy> [15]http://www.w3.org/wiki/**PointerEvents/TestAssertions<http://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions>
>
> [15] http://www.w3.org/wiki/**PointerEvents/TestAssertions<http://www.w3.org/wiki/PointerEvents/TestAssertions>
>
> DS: that's great Cathy
>
> AB: can anyone agree to take some assertions and create tests?
>
> JR: I want to get my team involved
>
> … we are committed to contribute
>
> SG: I can help with some of the tests
>
> AB: excellent
>
> DS: can we identify different types of tests?
>
> … f.ex. there is some commonality of pointerdown, pointerdown
>
> … It could help with an event like TTWF
>
> … Need a template that others can follow/use/extend
>
> AV: would be useful to update the TA wiki with coverage and who
> is working on what
>
> CC: I still need to do some more work
>
> <asir> Congratulations Cathy!!
>
> AB: could you please give us some status about which parts are
> complete and where we have gaps?
>
> CC: yes, I can do that
>
> <jrossi21> this is how Microsoft stress tests touch. Give your
> tablet to a 4 year old
>
> <jrossi21> :-)
>
> AB: if people can volunteer for assertions today, that would be
> great
>
> … otherwise, send your TA items to the list
>
> SG: ok; will do
>
> DS: "compatibility tables" say where features are supported
>
> … I have been doing some related automation work
>
> … with WebPlatform.org, want the features' impl status to be
> current
>
> … using a library from CanIUse.com
>
> … working toward taking W3C test suites and report back to test
> assertions
>
> … I could prototype taking our Impl results and mapping them to
> feature stability
>
> AB: everyone please review the TA doc and notify the list when
> you identified the TAs you will create tests for
>
> AV: what are the expectations for next call (April 9)?
>
> AB: hopefully, we will be in a position to see if we have
> consensus to move to CR
>
> … depends on the reponses from Yandex and Mose
>
> AB: plan on a call on April 9
> ... meeting adjourned
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
> [End of minutes]
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