RE: Action-1734, Action-1708, Action-1709: Proposal for a Figure Role

John,

I hear what you are saying but that is not how they are used in the real
world. Steve looked into it.

We used to have a labelledby relationship and Steve asked me to change it.
I suggest you both speak with Steve as he had to deal with it in HTML5.

Rich


Rich Schwerdtfeger



From:	"John Foliot" <john.foliot@deque.com>
To:	"'Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken'" <tsiegman@wiley.com>, Richard
            Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS, <public-pfwg@w3.org>
Date:	11/30/2015 08:40 AM
Subject:	RE: Action-1734, Action-1708, Action-1709: Proposal for a
            Figure  Role



+1

Captions are not long descriptions, and long descriptions are not captions:
different content, often different audience member.

JF


From: Siegman, Tzviya - Hoboken [mailto:tsiegman@wiley.com]
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 8:35 AM
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>; public-pfwg@w3.org
Subject: RE: Action-1734, Action-1708, Action-1709: Proposal for a Figure
Role

Hi Rich,

I understand that this question is regarding a specialized case (multiple
images in one <figure> element). Please realize that the described scenario
is very common in publishing. Further, publishing almost never uses
<figcaption> in lieu of descriptions. Rather, we use it to caption images
in publications. We have textbooks, journals, magazines, etc. with hundreds
of captioned images that need both descriptions and captions. It is
important to be able to provide both without confusion.

Tzviya

Tzviya Siegman
Digital Book Standards & Capabilities Lead
Wiley
201-748-6884
tsiegman@wiley.com

From: Richard Schwerdtfeger [mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2015 12:45 PM
To: public-pfwg@w3.org
Subject: Re: Action-1734, Action-1708, Action-1709: Proposal for a Figure
Role



Hi Jason,

This is in response to this post from you:
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Oct/0025.html and my
action item 1734.

I spoke with Steve Faulkner and he stated captions were more being used as
descriptions and not basic captions. Consequently He had asked that a
reference to a caption be a reference to a description and by default this
meant an aria-describedby mapping to the long description. In HTML Steve
was going to map <caption> through an aria-describedby relationship.

... Note: we are talking about extended descriptions in which case we would
not want the results to be stringified and I think we can address this by
placing a new type of extended Role attribute on the caption area.

Rich


Rich Schwerdtfeger