Re: Action-1640

FWIW I agree with James Craig on this.  Javascript that uses DOM methods is
going to be waay more portable and less fragile.  Anytime you introduce a
UI layer (ala selemium and the way it works with browsers) tests become
brittle.  All you need is one browser chrome or default style change to
break all sorts of stuff.

On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 12:28 PM, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com> wrote:

>
> > On May 21, 2015, at 6:42 AM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
> > We are doing that James but we need a layer that works with web driver
>
> WebDriver is a Windows-specific tool. Perhaps even specific to Internet
> Explorer, is it not?
>
> > and Selenium that talks to the API exposed by webkit. We are doing this
> to test the accessibility API mapping on all the platforms.
>
> That sounds a lot like the old AIA project. Have any other UA implementors
> expressed an interest in this?
>
> Seems like the better approach is to push harder for
> Element.computedRole() and other related DOM interfaces so these can be
> standard tests in JavaScript through any number of platform-specific tools,
> including but not limited to WebDriver, Selenium, etc.
>
> James
>
> > Rich Schwerdtfeger
> >
> > From: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>
> > To:   Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
> > Cc:   PF <public-pfwg@w3.org>, WAI XTech <wai-xtech@w3.org>
> > Date: 05/20/2015 02:31 AM
> > Subject:      Re: Action-1640
> >
> >
> >> I'm sorry, no. I can't commit anyone's time to this at the moment.
> >>
> >> I'd encourage you to take the TTWF approach [1] as much as possible.
> Writing web standard tests using JavaScript that work in any browser will
> be much more effective in the long run than writing platform-specific
> wrappers introducing fragility.
> >>
> >> 1. http://testthewebforward.org
> >>
> >> On May 19, 2015, at 12:52 PM, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi James,
> >>>
> >>> Do you have someone who can work with the aapi task force, that Joseph
> chairs, to write web driver code to do automated testing of Safari for ARIA
> 1.1? We are working plans to do more automated testing for ARIA 1.1 and are
> currently working out plans to do automated testing for IE, Chrome,Firefox
> on Windows, and Firefox,Webkit on Linux.
> >>>
> >>> Rich
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Rich Schwerdtfeger
> >>>
> >
>
>


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Shane McCarron
Managing Director, Applied Testing and Technology, Inc.