RE: article navigation

Cynthia,

 

I had a branch where I proposed aria-feed as an attribute that could apply
to list and table for starters . we scrapped it for 1.1. It started to get a
bit complicated. I think the decision to simplify and just work with a feed
role for 1.1 was made at TPAC or the meeting prior. 

 

Eventually, if we decide to have a feed property, the feed role would just
become a "convenience" role. By "convenience" role, I mean roles like
alertdialog, which is something you can easily construct without the
alertdialog role.

 

Matt King

 

From: Cynthia Shelly [mailto:cyns@microsoft.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 4:04 PM
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>; Steve Faulkner
<faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>; public-aria@w3.org; PF
<public-pfwg@w3.org>
Subject: RE: article navigation

 

should feed a role? Or an attribute of some other roles? I can see main
being a feed in the case of email or facebook, or aside being a feed when
you have a twitter stream related to your blog. 

 

For facebook with your proposal, would you do

<main>

<feed>

  <article>

  <article>

.

</main>

 

?

 

 

From: Richard Schwerdtfeger [mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:31 AM
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com
<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com> >
Cc: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com <mailto:jcraig@apple.com> >;
public-aria@w3.org <mailto:public-aria@w3.org> ; PF <public-pfwg@w3.org
<mailto:public-pfwg@w3.org> >
Subject: Re: article navigation

 

Yes, and as we have told them it is a very bad design to use articles as
landmarks as there can be many of them. What is worse you can't tell that
they are related. A feed would do that and it would provide navigation among
the feed items. 

As a stop gap an AT could switch to article navigation and ignore the feed
but I don't think that is the right idea for the reasons above long term.
The feed is a list which provides context to the articles. 


Rich Schwerdtfeger

Steve Faulkner ---11/30/2015 02:43:02 PM---Rich, as far as I am aware the
only AT that exposes <article> to users or

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com
<mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com> >
To: Richard Schwerdtfeger/Austin/IBM@IBMUS
Cc: James Craig <jcraig@apple.com <mailto:jcraig@apple.com> >, PF
<public-pfwg@w3.org <mailto:public-pfwg@w3.org> >, public-aria@w3.org
<mailto:public-aria@w3.org> 
Date: 11/30/2015 02:43 PM
Subject: Re: article navigation

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Rich, 

as far as I am aware the only AT that exposes <article> to users or provides
navigation is JAWS,
which exposes it as a (landmark) region and it is navigable along with all
other landmarks using the R/shift+R keys.

--

Regards

SteveF
Current Standards Work @W3C
<http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/03/current-standards-work-at-w3c/> 

On 30 November 2015 at 19:52, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com
<mailto:schwer@us.ibm.com> > wrote: 

Hi James, 

Does VoiceOver have a gesture navigation capability to move among articles
on iOS?

This is important in the context of ARIA Feeds. 

Rich


Rich Schwerdtfeger