RE: Request to move ARIA meeting to either Thursday or Friday (same time)

These are good suggestions for making the meeting time more productive.
And, while I am all about writing things out to help ensure you have 
addressed a topic thoroughly, I do agree that we can get much more rapid 
resolution on the most difficult issues by talking it out vs discussion on 
the list.

Matt King
IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement 
Phone: (503) 578-2329, Tie line: 731-7398
mattking@us.ibm.com



From:   Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>
To:     Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org>, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com>, 
Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>, 
Cc:     W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org>
Date:   11/03/2014 01:28 PM
Subject:        RE: Request to move ARIA meeting to either Thursday or 
Friday (same   time)



For me, 'do it in email' is an unfunded mandate.  The meeting time is the 
time to focus on discussing issues relating to the group, with everyone's 
full attention.  I also feel we get more accomplished when we talk than 
when we write.  Any of the times suggested is fine with me (except 30 
minutes, which isn't long enough to actually discuss anything). 

Some things that might help:
Have people bring proposals for issues when possible.  That worked quite 
well for the HTML next items on the html-a11y task force

Have times scheduled for particular agenda items, so that people who are 
only interested in one item can call in for a shorter time.

Have people ask for an agenda item for their action items when the action 
item is complete instead of going through all of them. 

If we're going to do action item review, have that scheduled as an agenda 
item with a fixed time period, and stop when the time is up.  Nagging 
works fine in email, and maybe isn't the best use of telecom time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Brewer [mailto:jbrewer@w3.org] 
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 12:59 PM
To: James Craig; Janina Sajka
Cc: W3C WAI Protocols & Formats
Subject: Re: Request to move ARIA meeting to either Thursday or Friday 
(same time)


On 11/3/2014 3:38 PM, James Craig wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> wrote:
>>
>> James Craig writes:
>>> Substantive details should always first be discussed on list, not in 
the phone meetings. Phone calls should only be for recurring issues that 
cannot be resolved on the list.
>>>
>> OK, now we might be getting somewhere.
>>
>> This is not an unfamiliar argument. It's the modus operandi for 
>> HTML-WG, for example. However, it would be a major cultural change for 
PF.
> The change would also allow for more inclusive participation from 
individuals with hearing impairments. Currently the PF process does not 
allow for effective participation form hearing-impaired contributors.
Both captioning and interpreting are possibilities as the need arises.

>> Personally, I don't agree that it would be positive for PF. In my 
>> experience, we get much more done when we talk to each other.
>> Furthermore, it's my experience we have many more misunderstandings 
>> via etext alone.
Sounds like would be useful to hear from other ARIA TF participants at the 
next meeting, to establish more of a shared understanding of what works 
for effective ARIA TF progress.

- Judy

>>
>> Janina
>>
>