RE: Request to move ARIA meeting to either Thursday or Friday (same time)

Mail threads tend to end nowhere. I hate that. Consensus is better obtained in a live decision round. My long-time experience in this business is that people also develop better understanding for a subject by direct communication and are afterwards more open not to insist on their viewpoints.

I cannot participate on Fridays, Thursday will work better.

Discussions tend to be not on the point. Also my observation. 60 minutes are fine with me when discussions are abbreviated by moderator and therefore stay on focus. We in our team practice something called "showing the yellow card" (everybody is allowed to) when participants
feel a side show is about to start. We have "+q" for zakim speaker queue - why not have a "STOP IT" command?
Or maybe we have that already - then put it to an "OK to use" state.

As a non-native language participant, I'd love to have a professional scribe. I do suffer both from weak audio lines and sometimes hard to understand detailed discussions. This will also address the needs of participating people with hearing impairments.
Frankly, I would expect this service for regular and important specification meetings from W3C as a professional organization developing internet standards for everybody. Companies pay considerable amounts of money for their membership and can expect more service here.

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Stefan

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From: Matthew King [mailto:mattking@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Dienstag, 4. November 2014 01:18
To: Cynthia Shelly
Cc: Janina Sajka; Judy Brewer; James Craig; W3C WAI Protocols & Formats
Subject: RE: Request to move ARIA meeting to either Thursday or Friday (same time)

These are good suggestions for making the meeting time more productive.
And, while I am all about writing things out to help ensure you have addressed a topic thoroughly, I do agree that we can get much more rapid resolution on the most difficult issues by talking it out vs discussion on the list.

Matt King
IBM Senior Technical Staff Member
I/T Chief Accessibility Strategist
IBM BT/CIO - Global Workforce and Web Process Enablement
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From:        Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com<mailto:cyns@microsoft.com>>
To:        Judy Brewer <jbrewer@w3.org<mailto:jbrewer@w3.org>>, James Craig <jcraig@apple.com<mailto:jcraig@apple.com>>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>>,
Cc:        W3C WAI Protocols & Formats <public-pfwg@w3.org<mailto:public-pfwg@w3.org>>
Date:        11/03/2014 01:28 PM
Subject:        RE: Request to move ARIA meeting to either Thursday or Friday (same   time)
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For me, 'do it in email' is an unfunded mandate.  The meeting time is the time to focus on discussing issues relating to the group, with everyone's full attention.  I also feel we get more accomplished when we talk than when we write.  Any of the times suggested is fine with me (except 30 minutes, which isn't long enough to actually discuss anything).

Some things that might help:
Have people bring proposals for issues when possible.  That worked quite well for the HTML next items on the html-a11y task force

Have times scheduled for particular agenda items, so that people who are only interested in one item can call in for a shorter time.

Have people ask for an agenda item for their action items when the action item is complete instead of going through all of them.

If we're going to do action item review, have that scheduled as an agenda item with a fixed time period, and stop when the time is up.  Nagging works fine in email, and maybe isn't the best use of telecom time.

-----Original Message-----
From: Judy Brewer [mailto:jbrewer@w3.org]
Sent: Monday, November 3, 2014 12:59 PM
To: James Craig; Janina Sajka
Cc: W3C WAI Protocols & Formats
Subject: Re: Request to move ARIA meeting to either Thursday or Friday (same time)


On 11/3/2014 3:38 PM, James Craig wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 2014, at 12:21 PM, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net<mailto:janina@rednote.net>> wrote:
>>
>> James Craig writes:
>>> Substantive details should always first be discussed on list, not in the phone meetings. Phone calls should only be for recurring issues that cannot be resolved on the list.
>>>
>> OK, now we might be getting somewhere.
>>
>> This is not an unfamiliar argument. It's the modus operandi for
>> HTML-WG, for example. However, it would be a major cultural change for PF.
> The change would also allow for more inclusive participation from individuals with hearing impairments. Currently the PF process does not allow for effective participation form hearing-impaired contributors.
Both captioning and interpreting are possibilities as the need arises.

>> Personally, I don't agree that it would be positive for PF. In my
>> experience, we get much more done when we talk to each other.
>> Furthermore, it's my experience we have many more misunderstandings
>> via etext alone.
Sounds like would be useful to hear from other ARIA TF participants at the next meeting, to establish more of a shared understanding of what works for effective ARIA TF progress.

- Judy

>>
>> Janina
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