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Re: Web annotations for physical texts

From: Steven Harms <sgharms@stevengharms.com>
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2018 09:14:56 +0100
Message-ID: <CAPfX5DinLpQNLOtc2knQJd=1eeQ94pC_TpKovfnfwPpAErcHyA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Christopher Blackwell <cwblackwell@gmail.com>
Cc: public-openannotation@w3.org
Given two endorsements for CTS in short order, I read the description and
it seemed intuitive and to cover the required specificity easily. As such:

urn:cts:CTSNAMESPACE:WORK:PASSAGE@SUBREFERENCE

Would become

urn:cts:isbn:###:<PASSAGE>

Pros:

1. Intuitive!

Cons:

1. With ISBN we lose the human friendliness of say, “JK Rowling wrote
HP&Philospher’s stone.” This can be remedied, of course, by a higher
container holding human-friendly data, but it seems like an obvious nit to
address. MLA and other citation schemes preserve this visibly in the
citation.

Question:

1. How to handle <PASSAGE> in a book?

Pasting the full text seems onerous. To annotate passage p, I don’t want to
have to type in passage p *and* my annotation. This would also set one
afoul of copyright holders.

Further, range offsets, while completely reasonable are not given generally
outside of epic poetry or other classics.

Certainly many e-readers make this calculation possible and that will
surely be the correct scheme for annotations from that medium. However, my
focus remains real books ;)

The most common scheme for a popular book would be the page. The docs
state, failing an offset:

> A reference to an individual passage is formatted as dot-separated
components representing one or more levels of the citation hierarchy
defined in a CTS TextInventory for that work.

Now for most popular works, there is no CTS TextInventory — to the best of
my knowledge.

So: is there a low-friction way to refer to a page?

Thanks for the suggestions to now,

Steven


(Typos and blunders my own as i’m On vacation without access to a keyboard
;))





On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 3:54 AM Christopher Blackwell <cwblackwell@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Steven,
>
> The CTS URN might be helpful:
>
> http://cite-architecture.github.io/ctsurn/
>
> Part of the CITE Architecture: http://cite-architecture.github.io
>
> (Disclosure: This is a thing I’ve worked on over the years.)
>
> This blog post points to some live examples of real data integrated with
> CTS URNs:
>
>
> http://homermultitext.blogspot.com/2018/07/the-homer-multitext-microservice-homer.html
>
> If this looks at all interesting, please don’t hesitate to send along
> further questions.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris B.
>
>
> --
> Christopher W. Blackwell
> The Louis G. Forgione University Professor
> Department of Classics
> Furman University
>
> On Oct 10, 2018, at 1:57 PM, Steven Harms <sgharms@stevengharms.com>
> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> I am interested in creating annotations on physical books [1
> <https://stevengharms.com/research/semweb-topic/problem_statement/>].
>
> As the name "web annotations" suggests, the default target of the Web
> Annotation Working Group would be, of course, to annotation IRI-referable
> targets with IRI-identifiable Annotations.
>
> 1. Is there a model whereby we could point to a physical resource in a URI
> / IRI format (and thus join the existing Web Annotation universe, *or*
> 2. Is there a framework that might support referring to physical books
> that I've simply not found
> 3. Or should I plan to use JSON-LD to create "forge my own path?"
>
> I hope to post an example of what #3 might look like, but I'd like to
> double check my understanding before engaging in in such an effort, *tabula
> rasa*.
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven
>
>
> [1]: https://stevengharms.com/research/semweb-topic/problem_statement/
>
> --
> Steven G. Harms
> PGP: E6052DAF
> <https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x337AF45BE6052DAF>
>
>
> --
Steven G. Harms
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