Re: "cite" and 'author of a quote'

Hi Paolo, all

Doug, do you want to keep track of the fact that the annotation target is
> authored by Bush?


Of course not sure what Doug wants to achieve, but I would be interested in
the first case, keeping track of the original author of the quote. At
http://www.openannotation.org/spec/core/core.html#Provenance there are two
roles, the author of the annotation and the serializator of the annotation.
If we want to keep track of the original author none of those would work.
What would be the way?

On a second thought, the other case is also interesting

Or annotating the quote in the target with an annotation that says that
> Bush is the author?


That would be adding an extra annotation saying that the quote is authored
by Bush, but that "authored by" would no be an OA property, that would be
the text/body of the annotation, right? And if we want to make it a
property, then we should use a SemanticTag?

Not sure if I am adding confusion, sorry.

Cheers,
Leyla


On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 3:05 PM, Paolo Ciccarese
<paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> Dear Ivan and Doug,
> I believe the previous discussion 'Annotation Serializations' is becoming
> a little dense and hard to follow.
>
> I am isolating here one of the topic of a previous email (
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-openannotation/2014Jan/0049.html) as I am trying to understand better:
>
> Ivan said:
> >> I looked at your example, and, for the purpose of the discussion, I
> >> did re-cast it into RDFa Lite. I *think* it is what you meant but
> >> probably not exactly; I did remove the internal properties for Bush
> >> because you annotate <http://example.com/sourcedoc.html> and not the
> >> snippet and, I must admit, I was not sure how that 'cite' would
> >> translate into OA (I am not sure it can, it may need some additional
> >> properties).
>
> Doug said:
> > Yeah, actually, unless I'm missing something, I think there should be
> some
> > way in the OA model to indicate the author(s) of a quote. This would be
> > most useful when the annotation is being viewed as a document itself,
> > or when the source document is not actually available on the Web
> > (behind a paywall, in an ebook or paper book, spoken during a
> non-recorded
> > or time-delayed presentation, or what have you), but the annotator still
> > wants to attribute it as much as possible (think of tweets about
> conference
> > presentations which contain quotes and a link to the speaker's twitter
> id).
>
>
> Could you help me understanding a little better what you are referring to
> for 'cite' and author of a quote and what you would like to accomplish with
> OA?
>
> If I look at the <note> first snippet in the wiki
> http://www.w3.org/community/openannotation/wiki/Serializations my
> understanding is that Doug is annotating a quote in the document
> http://example.com/sourcedoc.html . Therefore the target is a particular
> snippet of that page and the author of that snippet is 'Vannevar Bush'.
>
> If that is the case, the JSON-LD in the wiki
> "hasTarget": "http://example.com/sourcedoc.html"
> is not accurate as it referring to the whole document.
> It should be
>
>  "hasTarget": {
>         "@type" : "SpecificResource",
>        "hasSource": "http://example.com/sourcedoc.html"
>         "hasSelector" : {
>             .. the quote ..
>         }
>     }
>
>
> Doug, do you want to keep track of the fact that the annotation target is
> authored by Bush? Or annotating the quote in the target with an annotation
> that says that Bush is the author?
>
> Paolo
>
>
> --
> Dr. Paolo Ciccarese
> http://www.paolociccarese.info/
> Biomedical Informatics Research & Development
> Instructor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School
> Assistant in Neuroscience at Mass General Hospital
> Member of the MGH Biomedical Informatics Core
>
>