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Re: Bodies translations: use cases and thoughts

From: Paolo Ciccarese <paolo.ciccarese@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2013 09:51:55 -0500
Message-ID: <CAFPX2kBgxvoOsjmFMF=09vrBjmvZgVchbCyEDuSx6duqQnUk6A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Bernhard Haslhofer <bernhard.haslhofer@univie.ac.at>
Cc: public-openannotation <public-openannotation@w3.org>
Hi Bernard,
I agree, that could be a good approach especially when provenance for each
translation is different.
We would have multiple annotation objects but then we would need a way to
relate them.
That way does not have necessarily part of OA though.

I guess I could say it at the annotation level
<ann1> translationof <ann2>
or at the body level
<body1> translationof <body2>

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Bernhard Haslhofer <
bernhard.haslhofer@univie.ac.at> wrote:

> Hi Paolo,
>
> my straight-forward approach would be to create one annotation per
> translation, each having the same target (the translated piece of text) but
> different bodies (the translations). Then you can assign different times
> (and possibly) agents to each annotation and maybe also make the motivation
> "translation" explicit.
>
> To indicate the language of the body I would use RDF's language tag with
> the body label.
> This of course doesn't work if all translations were created at the same
> moment in time; but I guess this doesn't happen too often in the real
> world, does it?
>
> Bernhard
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 at 8:09 AM, Paolo Ciccarese wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> > now that the new draft of the specs has been published, I would like to
> discuss further some aspects that have been dropped along the way. One of
> them is languages and translations.
> >
> > This is my scenario: I have a textual content written in one language.
> As curator, I pick an important sentence within that text and I provide,
> through annotation, the translations in different languages of that
> particular passage. And it could be even a little more complicated and we
> might need to keep track of multiple translations for each language
> performed at different moments in time or by different agents in different
> moments in time.
> >
> > Does any other member have use cases about translations?
> >
> > A couple of solutions have been discussed in previous emails exchanges
> [1][2][3]:
> >
> > 1) Translations "by oa:Choice". This seems well representing those cases
> in which we are modeling an actual choice.
> >
> > _:x a oa:Annotation ;
> > oa:hasBody <choice1> ;
> > oa:hasTarget <ny-times-article> .
> >
> > <choice1> a oa:Choice ;
> > oa:default<comment-in-french> ;
> > oa:item<comment-in-english> ;
> > oa:item<comment-in-spanish> .
> >
> > However, it does not seem fitting the above use case where all the
> translations are meant to be provided at the same time.
> > So I wonder what you think about:
> >
> > _:x a oa:Annotation ;
> > oa:motivatedBy blah:translating
> > oa:hasBody <comment-in-english> ;
> > oa:hasBody <comment-in-spanish> .
> > oa:hasTarget <ny-times-article> .
> >
> > 2) Translate "by multilingual body":
> >
> > _:x a oa:Annotation ;
> > oa:hasBody <multilingualcomment> ;
> > oa:hasTarget <ny-times-article> .
> >
> > <multilingualcomment> rdfs:label "comment-in-french"@fr ;
> > rdfs:label "comment-in-english"@en ;
> > rdfs:label "comment-in-spanish"@es .
> >
> > This could look more explicit, however it introduces a new kind of Body.
> >
> > Additional use cases? Thoughts?
> >
> > Best,
> > Paolo
> >
> > [1]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-openannotation/2012Oct/0004.html
> > [2]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-openannotation/2012Nov/0001.html
> > [3]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-openannotation/2012Nov/0006.html
> >
> >
> > --
> > Dr. Paolo Ciccarese
> > http://www.paolociccarese.info/
> > Biomedical Informatics Research & Development
> > Instructor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School
> > Assistant in Neuroscience at Mass General Hospital
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Biomedical Informatics Research & Development
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Assistant in Neuroscience at Mass General Hospital
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