RE: OntoLex@Wikipedia

RDF is the format name (Resource Framework Description), JSON-LD is one of its (more recent and popular) serializations (like RDF-XML, Turtle, etc).

From: Dorian Cougias <dcougias@unifiedcompliance.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 11:57 PM
To: Ilan Kernerman <ilan@kdictionaries.com>; Thierry Declerck <declerck@dfki.de>; Christian Chiarcos <chiarcos@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>; John P. McCrae <john@mccr.ae>; Christian Chiarcos <christian.chiarcos@web.de>
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Subject: Re: OntoLex@Wikipedia

Why RDF when the world seems to be going to JSON-LD?



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From: Ilan Kernerman <ilan@kdictionaries.com<mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com>>
Date: Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 3:01 AM
To: Thierry Declerck <declerck@dfki.de<mailto:declerck@dfki.de>>, Christian Chiarcos <chiarcos@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de<mailto:chiarcos@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>>, "John P. McCrae" <john@mccr.ae<mailto:john@mccr.ae>>, Christian Chiarcos <christian.chiarcos@web.de<mailto:christian.chiarcos@web.de>>
Cc: public-ontolex <public-ontolex@w3.org<mailto:public-ontolex@w3.org>>
Subject: RE: OntoLex@Wikipedia
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Resent-Date: Sunday, April 5, 2020 at 3:00 AM

Dear Christian, all
Congratulations on making OntoLex live on Wikipedia, and many thanks for the efforts!
While being flattered by KDN's usefulness, the approval process does seem too harsh.
Proofing comments:

  *   a RDF format<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework> >>> an  RDF format<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework> (OR RDF format<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework>)
  *   ref 27: TIAD 2020 – 3rd (NOT 2nd)
  *   could add references in Elexis (https://elex.is/?s=ontolex) and eLex2019 (https://elex.link/elex2019/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/eLex_2019_41.pdf)
Best regards
Ilan

From: Thierry Declerck <declerck@dfki.de<mailto:declerck@dfki.de>>
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 12:10 PM
To: Christian Chiarcos <chiarcos@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de<mailto:chiarcos@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>>; John P. McCrae <john@mccr.ae<mailto:john@mccr.ae>>; Christian Chiarcos <christian.chiarcos@web.de<mailto:christian.chiarcos@web.de>>
Cc: public-ontolex <public-ontolex@w3.org<mailto:public-ontolex@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: OntoLex@Wikipedia


Dear Christian,

Many thanks for those great news, and many thanks to the cotnributors!

This will pave the way to the edtiion of LLOD and OntoLex pages in other languages :-)

Cheers

Thierry
Am 05.04.2020 um 10:49 schrieb Christian Chiarcos:
Dear all,

the OntoLex page is now live *and approved*: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OntoLex. Feel free to extend and translate ;) Thanks to all for the additional pointers. Special thanks to Ilan for running Kernerman Dictionary News and for  reporting on OntoLex several times in this context. In the end, this was decisive (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:1292simon#OntoLex_page), because the editors required demonstration of relevance by "news articles". I guess this was by mistake on their side anyway (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#News_organizations vs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Scholarship), but thanks to KDN, we have something they did accept.

Best,
Christian

Am .12.2019, 16:44 Uhr, schrieb Christian Chiarcos <christian.chiarcos@web.de><mailto:christian.chiarcos@web.de>:

Hi John, dear all,

thank you, added to the OntoLex draft (now under  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:OntoLex) and resubmitted. (Can be further edited.)

Best,
Christian

Am .12.2019, 09:09 Uhr, schrieb John P. McCrae <john@mccr.ae><mailto:john@mccr.ae>:

Hi Christian,

Here are some good links:

A couple of books that reference the model:
https://books.google.at/books?id=ej5qDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA155&lpg=PA155&dq=%22ontolex+lemon%22&source=bl&ots=uxVR-dcazZ&sig=ACfU3U10WV53UlTR1lLBJp0tIGGsQoCxpw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjbwJrfz6rmAhWdURUIHbqPBTM4ChDoATAIegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=%22ontolex%20lemon%22&f=false

https://books.google.at/books?id=ahWZDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=%22ontolex+lemon%22&source=bl&ots=gN4uqWlFW1&sig=ACfU3U2m5izzYu6uo7G4qMbTr584iJEFAw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjR7uHmz6rmAhU6XRUIHQBgByc4FBDoATAIegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=%22ontolex%20lemon%22&f=false


Press releases:
https://www.clarin.eu/blog/clarin-it-presents-lexo-where-lexicography-meets-semantic-web

https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/lexidma/charter.php

http://aims.fao.org/activity/blog/version-402-vocbench-was-released-august-2018


European Technical Specification:
https://ec.europa.eu/isa2/sites/isa/files/pmki.wp2_.d2.3_v1.0.pdf


Regards,
John

On Mon, 9 Dec 2019 at 21:39, Christian Chiarcos <christian.chiarcos@web.de<mailto:christian.chiarcos@web.de>> wrote:
Hi again,

has been reviewed, no complaints about spam or copyright anymore, just about relevance, hence rejected. Summary:

This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RS>. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:V>. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:REFB> and Citing sources<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources>.
This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability>—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources>, secondary<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Secondary> sources that are independent<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_and_using_independent_sources> of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners#Inserting_a_reference> and learn about mistakes to avoid<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Common_sourcing_mistakes_(notability)> when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.
 The comment the reviewer left was:
Are there some news articles that suggest this is notable beyond W3C?
I guess we can work that out more easily than the earlier complaints. Not exactly wrt. "news articles" in any strict sense of the word, but with respect to coverage in scientific communication. @Everyone: Please add your favorite papers (own or other) on OntoLex to the draft page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chiarcos/OntoLex). I guess everybody can edit this.

Wrt. news articles: Have there been any press releases on Pret-a-LLOD, Nexus Linguarum or other projects that mention OntoLex? This would be the closest thing to a "news article" I can think of.

Best,
Christian

Am .12.2019, 02:18 Uhr, schrieb Christian Chiarcos <christian.chiarcos@web.de<mailto:christian.chiarcos@web.de>>:

Am .12.2019, 21:13 Uhr, schrieb Manuel Fiorelli <manuel.fiorelli@gmail.com<mailto:manuel.fiorelli@gmail.com>>:
Dear Christian

When I tried to access the article, Wikipedia told that it was deleted recently.

G11 ("spam"): We had that problem with creating a LLOD page, as well. But back then, we got a discussion, at least.
G12 ("copyright"): The copyright infringement pertains to the OntoLex-core diagram. I put in the file documentation that this is a trivial visualization of commonly available information (it is a conventional class diagram, in the end), and used the corresponding tag but that wasn't convincing, it seems.

A revision without details on the W3C CG, without the diagram and without any quotes now under  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Chiarcos/OntoLex. Submitted for revision by a Wikipedia editor. May take 4 months, but can be edited until then.

I guess it would help if people express the need for such a page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles


Best,
Christian


Looking at the message reporting on the deletion, I understood that it was motives by a combination of two issues: promotional nature of the article and inclusion of copyrighted work.

Not sure what we should do to solve the problem.

Regards
Manuel

Il ven 6 dic 2019, 19:56 Christian Chiarcos <christian.chiarcos@web.de<mailto:christian.chiarcos@web.de>> ha scritto:
Dear all,

I just created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OntoLex. Please check and
improve!

BTW: Copyright of the OntoLex-Lemon core diagram seems to be restricted. Please
confirm.

Thanks,
Christian
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Am Fr., 6. Dez. 2019 um 21:13 Uhr schrieb Manuel Fiorelli <manuel.fiorelli@gmail.com<mailto:manuel.fiorelli@gmail.com>>:
Dear Christian

When I tried to access the article, Wikipedia told that it was deleted recently.

Looking at the message reporting on the deletion, I understood that it was motives by a combination of two issues: promotional nature of the article and inclusion of copyrighted work.

Not sure what we should do to solve the problem.

Regards
Manuel

Il ven 6 dic 2019, 19:56 Christian Chiarcos <christian.chiarcos@web.de<mailto:christian.chiarcos@web.de>> ha scritto:
Dear all,

I just created https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OntoLex. Please check and
improve!

BTW: Copyright of the OntoLex-Lemon core diagram seems to be restricted. Please
confirm.

Thanks,
Christian
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