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Re: citations etc

From: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 09:46:09 +0200
To: public-ontolex@w3.org
Message-ID: <67273f8c-0f69-227e-932b-2cfe74d14d96@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
Dear all,

   the next telco is today at 13:00 CET. I mentioned that I am 
travelling and that I can not attend.

The first today would be to agree IMHO on a common understanding of the 
concept of attestation. I proposed the following definition:

Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves that 
the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).

Once you have agreed on a common definition, it might be worth going in 
detail through the examples provided by Fahad.

Best regards,

Philipp.


Am 11.06.18 um 09:34 schrieb Jorge Gracia:
> Hi Philipp, all,
>
> When is the next telco taking place? today? next week?
>
> Thanks!
> Jorge
>
>
> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 15:26, Julia Bosque Gil (<jbosque@fi.upm.es 
> <mailto:jbosque@fi.upm.es>>) escribió:
>
>     Dear all,
>
>     I am available next Monday (11th) and the following week (18th).
>
>     Best,
>
>     Julia
>
>     El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 12:42, Katrien Depuydt
>     (<Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org <mailto:Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org>>)
>     escribió:
>
>         Hi all,
>
>         I am available next Monday, but the week after that as well.
>
>         Kind regards,
>
>         Katrien
>
>
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>         *Van:*Ilan Kernerman [mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com
>         <mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com>]
>         *Verzonden:* maandag 4 juni 2018 12:40
>         *Aan:* Philipp Cimiano; public-ontolex@w3.org
>         <mailto:public-ontolex@w3.org>
>         *Onderwerp:* RE: citations etc
>
>         I will not be available next week. My apologies.
>
>         Ilan
>
>         *From:*Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de]
>         *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2018 1:32 PM
>         *To:* public-ontolex@w3.org <mailto:public-ontolex@w3.org>
>         *Subject:* Re: citations etc
>
>         Dear Fahad,
>
>         if this is the case, then I propose we skip the teleconference
>         today.
>
>         It would be good to have you available to discuss your paper
>         and the definitions of attestation.
>
>         I propose then we postpone to next week. I will not be
>         available, but I think it is more important that other players
>         are available (Fahad, Ilan, Katrien, etc.)
>
>         Will John or Julia be available for chairing next week?
>
>         Kind regards,
>
>         Philipp.
>
>         Am 04.06.18 um 12:23 schrieb Fahad Khan:
>
>             Hi Philipp,
>
>             I'm afraid I won't be able to attend today.
>
>             Cheers,
>             Fahad
>
>             On 4 June 2018 at 12:16, Philipp Cimiano
>             <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>             <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>> wrote:
>
>                 Dear all,
>
>                  thanks for this Ilan.
>
>                 @All. I had planned a telco for today as I will not be
>                 available for the next two weeks.
>
>                 And here is my proposed definition for an attestation:
>
>                 Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source
>                 that proves that the lexical entry has a certain
>                 linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>
>                 I propose we talk at 13:00 today to touch base and see
>                 how we continue our discussion on attestation.
>
>                 Talk to you later,
>
>                 Philipp.
>
>                 Am 02.06.18 um 12:46 schrieb Ilan Kernerman:
>
>                     Dear all,
>
>                     Following our last call, here are some suggestions:
>
>                     ·A /citation/ consists of a quote from a corpus
>                     (text); it may either (i) include a reference to
>                     its origin (/bibl/), or (ii) not.
>
>                     oAn /attestation/ is the reference to a source
>                     (/bibl/) without its actual /citation/.
>
>                     §(in other words, /bibl/ and /attestation/ might
>                     be similar, but the latter is not preceded by a
>                     /citation/)
>
>                     ·An /example of usage/ (or /usage example/) is
>                     human-crafted, whether (i)
>                     corpus-inspired/derived, or (ii) not.
>
>                     oThe /example/ can consist of either a full
>                     sentence or a short phrase (and could also be a
>                     /citation/)
>
>                     §(there are different types of examples – mainly
>                     of general patterns, for reception/decoding
>                     purposes, active for production/encoding – but
>                     that is probably beyond the scope here)
>
>                     This might seem like over-simplifying or
>                     distorting matters, but I hope it is useful for
>                     more accurate mapping/tagging.
>
>                     I think this does not contradict the concerns
>                     raised in Fahad’s article J:
>
>                     “Lemon, unlike TEI-DICT, however focuses on
>                     capturing the conceptual content of a lexicon,
>                     that is, it takes a primarily lexical view of
>                     lexical resources… Hence there is no conflict here
>                     between the demands of fidelity to the text in its
>                     lexical view and the text in its editorial and
>                     typographical view as there is in TEI; lemon
>                     simply prioritises the former.”
>
>                     “…a proper encoding of citations attesting to
>                     lexical properties must take into consideration at
>                     least two different kinds of conceptual entity:
>                     citations and attestations”
>
>                     Best,
>
>                     Ilan
>
>                 -- 
>
>                 Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>
>                 AG Semantic Computing
>
>                 Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology
>                 (CITEC)
>
>                 Universität Bielefeld
>
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>
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>         -- 
>
>         Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>
>         AG Semantic Computing
>
>         Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>
>         Universität Bielefeld
>
>         Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>
>         Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>
>         Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>         <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
>
>         Office CITEC-2.307
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>     -- 
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>     Julia Bosque Gil
>     PhD Student
>     Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/>
>     Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>     Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>
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> -- 
> Jorge Gracia, PhD
> Department of Computer Science and Systems Engineering
> University of Zaragoza
> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/

-- 
Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
AG Semantic Computing
Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
Universität Bielefeld

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