RE: citations etc

Hi Philipp,

As I recall correctly, Fahad is not available today. Couldn’t we not postpone the call to next week?

Kind regards,
Katrien


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Van: Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de]
Verzonden: maandag 11 juni 2018 9:49
Aan: public-ontolex@w3.org
Onderwerp: Re: citations etc


Dear all,

  the next telco is today at 13:00 CET. I mentioned that I am travelling and that I can not attend.

The first today would be to agree IMHO on a common understanding of the concept of attestation. I proposed the following definition:

Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves that the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).

Once you have agreed on a common definition, it might be worth going in detail through the examples provided by Fahad.

Best regards,

Philipp.

Am 11.06.18 um 09:34 schrieb Jorge Gracia:
Hi Philipp, all,

When is the next telco taking place? today? next week?

Thanks!
Jorge


El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 15:26, Julia Bosque Gil (<jbosque@fi.upm.es<mailto:jbosque@fi.upm.es>>) escribió:
Dear all,

I am available next Monday (11th) and the following week (18th).

Best,

Julia

El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 12:42, Katrien Depuydt (<Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org<mailto:Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org>>) escribió:
Hi all,

I am available next Monday, but the week after that as well.

Kind regards,
Katrien


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Van: Ilan Kernerman [mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com<mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com>]
Verzonden: maandag 4 juni 2018 12:40
Aan: Philipp Cimiano; public-ontolex@w3.org<mailto:public-ontolex@w3.org>
Onderwerp: RE: citations etc

I will not be available next week. My apologies.
Ilan

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Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 1:32 PM
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Subject: Re: citations etc


Dear Fahad,

if this is the case, then I propose we skip the teleconference today.

It would be good to have you available to discuss your paper and the definitions of attestation.

I propose then we postpone to next week. I will not be available, but I think it is more important that other players are available (Fahad, Ilan, Katrien, etc.)

Will John or Julia be available for chairing next week?

Kind regards,

Philipp.

Am 04.06.18 um 12:23 schrieb Fahad Khan:
Hi Philipp,
I'm afraid I won't be able to attend today.
Cheers,
Fahad

On 4 June 2018 at 12:16, Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de<mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>> wrote:

Dear all,

 thanks for this Ilan.

@All. I had planned a telco for today as I will not be available for the next two weeks.

And here is my proposed definition for an attestation:

Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves that the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).

I propose we talk at 13:00 today to touch base and see how we continue our discussion on attestation.

Talk to you later,

Philipp.

Am 02.06.18 um 12:46 schrieb Ilan Kernerman:
Dear all,
Following our last call, here are some suggestions:

•         A citation consists of a quote from a corpus (text); it may either (i) include a reference to its origin (bibl), or (ii) not.

o   An attestation is the reference to a source (bibl) without its actual citation.

• (in other words, bibl and attestation might be similar, but the latter is not preceded by a citation)

•         An example of usage (or usage example) is human-crafted, whether (i) corpus-inspired/derived, or (ii) not.

o   The example can consist of either a full sentence or a short phrase (and could also be a citation)

• (there are different types of examples – mainly of general patterns, for reception/decoding purposes, active for production/encoding – but that is probably beyond the scope here)
This might seem like over-simplifying or distorting matters, but I hope it is useful for more accurate mapping/tagging.
I think this does not contradict the concerns raised in Fahad’s article ☺:
“Lemon, unlike TEI-DICT, however focuses on capturing the conceptual content of a lexicon, that is, it takes a primarily lexical view of lexical resources… Hence there is no conflict here between the demands of fidelity to the text in its lexical view and the text in its editorial and typographical view as there is in TEI; lemon simply prioritises the former.”
“…a proper encoding of citations attesting to lexical properties must take into consideration at least two different kinds of conceptual entity: citations and attestations”
Best,
Ilan


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