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Re: citations etc

From: Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es>
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2018 09:34:02 +0200
Message-ID: <CANzuSaOXtA57h_htbsst_4Up+VwNgDM5C_P2pEdBbWVmHaJTyA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Julia Bosque Gil <jbosque@fi.upm.es>
Cc: Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org, Ilan Kernerman <ilan@kdictionaries.com>, Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>, public-ontolex <public-ontolex@w3.org>
Hi Philipp, all,

When is the next telco taking place? today? next week?

Thanks!
Jorge


El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 15:26, Julia Bosque Gil (<jbosque@fi.upm.es>)
escribió:

> Dear all,
>
> I am available next Monday (11th) and the following week (18th).
>
> Best,
>
> Julia
>
> El lun., 4 jun. 2018 a las 12:42, Katrien Depuydt (<
> Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org>) escribió:
>
>> Hi all,
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>>
>> I am available next Monday, but the week after that as well.
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>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Katrien
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>> *Van:* Ilan Kernerman [mailto:ilan@kdictionaries.com]
>> *Verzonden:* maandag 4 juni 2018 12:40
>> *Aan:* Philipp Cimiano; public-ontolex@w3.org
>> *Onderwerp:* RE: citations etc
>>
>>
>>
>> I will not be available next week. My apologies.
>>
>> Ilan
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>]
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 04, 2018 1:32 PM
>> *To:* public-ontolex@w3.org
>> *Subject:* Re: citations etc
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Fahad,
>>
>> if this is the case, then I propose we skip the teleconference today.
>>
>> It would be good to have you available to discuss your paper and the
>> definitions of attestation.
>>
>> I propose then we postpone to next week. I will not be available, but I
>> think it is more important that other players are available (Fahad, Ilan,
>> Katrien, etc.)
>>
>> Will John or Julia be available for chairing next week?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Philipp.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 04.06.18 um 12:23 schrieb Fahad Khan:
>>
>> Hi Philipp,
>>
>> I'm afraid I won't be able to attend today.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Fahad
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 June 2018 at 12:16, Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>  thanks for this Ilan.
>>
>> @All. I had planned a telco for today as I will not be available for the
>> next two weeks.
>>
>> And here is my proposed definition for an attestation:
>>
>> Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves that
>> the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).
>>
>> I propose we talk at 13:00 today to touch base and see how we continue
>> our discussion on attestation.
>>
>> Talk to you later,
>>
>> Philipp.
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 02.06.18 um 12:46 schrieb Ilan Kernerman:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Following our last call, here are some suggestions:
>>
>> ·         A *citation* consists of a quote from a corpus (text); it may
>> either (i) include a reference to its origin (*bibl*), or (ii) not.
>>
>> o   An *attestation* is the reference to a source (*bibl*) without its
>> actual *citation*.
>>
>> § (in other words, *bibl* and *attestation* might be similar, but the
>> latter is not preceded by a *citation*)
>>
>> ·         An *example of usage* (or *usage example*) is human-crafted,
>> whether (i) corpus-inspired/derived, or (ii) not.
>>
>> o   The *example* can consist of either a full sentence or a short
>> phrase (and could also be a *citation*)
>>
>> § (there are different types of examples – mainly of general patterns,
>> for reception/decoding purposes, active for production/encoding – but that
>> is probably beyond the scope here)
>>
>> This might seem like over-simplifying or distorting matters, but I hope
>> it is useful for more accurate mapping/tagging.
>>
>> I think this does not contradict the concerns raised in Fahad’s article J
>> :
>>
>> “Lemon, unlike TEI-DICT, however focuses on capturing the conceptual
>> content of a lexicon, that is, it takes a primarily lexical view of lexical
>> resources… Hence there is no conflict here between the demands of fidelity
>> to the text in its lexical view and the text in its editorial and
>> typographical view as there is in TEI; lemon simply prioritises the former.
>> ”
>>
>> “…a proper encoding of citations attesting to lexical properties must
>> take into consideration at least two different kinds of conceptual entity:
>> citations and attestations”
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Ilan
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>
>> AG Semantic Computing
>>
>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>
>> Universität Bielefeld
>>
>>
>>
>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249
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>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560
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>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
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>>
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University of Zaragoza
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