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RE: citations etc

From: Ilan Kernerman <ilan@kdictionaries.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:37:55 +0000
To: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>, "public-ontolex@w3.org" <public-ontolex@w3.org>
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I will not be available next week. My apologies.
Ilan

From: Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2018 1:32 PM
To: public-ontolex@w3.org
Subject: Re: citations etc


Dear Fahad,

if this is the case, then I propose we skip the teleconference today.

It would be good to have you available to discuss your paper and the definitions of attestation.

I propose then we postpone to next week. I will not be available, but I think it is more important that other players are available (Fahad, Ilan, Katrien, etc.)

Will John or Julia be available for chairing next week?

Kind regards,

Philipp.

Am 04.06.18 um 12:23 schrieb Fahad Khan:
Hi Philipp,
I'm afraid I won't be able to attend today.
Cheers,
Fahad

On 4 June 2018 at 12:16, Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de<mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>> wrote:

Dear all,

 thanks for this Ilan.

@All. I had planned a telco for today as I will not be available for the next two weeks.

And here is my proposed definition for an attestation:

Attestation: An attestation is a reference to a source that proves that the lexical entry has a certain linguistic property (e.g. a sense).

I propose we talk at 13:00 today to touch base and see how we continue our discussion on attestation.

Talk to you later,

Philipp.

Am 02.06.18 um 12:46 schrieb Ilan Kernerman:
Dear all,
Following our last call, here are some suggestions:

•         A citation consists of a quote from a corpus (text); it may either (i) include a reference to its origin (bibl), or (ii) not.

o   An attestation is the reference to a source (bibl) without its actual citation.

• (in other words, bibl and attestation might be similar, but the latter is not preceded by a citation)

•         An example of usage (or usage example) is human-crafted, whether (i) corpus-inspired/derived, or (ii) not.

o   The example can consist of either a full sentence or a short phrase (and could also be a citation)

• (there are different types of examples – mainly of general patterns, for reception/decoding purposes, active for production/encoding – but that is probably beyond the scope here)
This might seem like over-simplifying or distorting matters, but I hope it is useful for more accurate mapping/tagging.
I think this does not contradict the concerns raised in Fahad’s article ☺:
“Lemon, unlike TEI-DICT, however focuses on capturing the conceptual content of a lexicon, that is, it takes a primarily lexical view of lexical resources… Hence there is no conflict here between the demands of fidelity to the text in its lexical view and the text in its editorial and typographical view as there is in TEI; lemon simply prioritises the former.”
“…a proper encoding of citations attesting to lexical properties must take into consideration at least two different kinds of conceptual entity: citations and attestations”
Best,
Ilan


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Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano

AG Semantic Computing

Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)

Universität Bielefeld



Tel: +49 521 106 12249

Fax: +49 521 106 6560

Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de<mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>



Office CITEC-2.307

Universitätsstr. 21-25

33615 Bielefeld, NRW

Germany
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