- From: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
- Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:41:55 +0200
- To: Katrien Depuydt <Katrien.Depuydt@ivdnt.org>, "public-ontolex@w3.org" <public-ontolex@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <5b1080ed-d1ec-a122-59a1-dc0f12cd9378@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
Dear all, I have not heard any complaints, so I assume we will e-meet next Monday 30th of April at 14:00 CET. Kind regards, Philipp. Am 23.04.18 um 11:59 schrieb Katrien Depuydt: > > Hi Philip, > > > > 14:00 CET on the 30th is fine for me. > > As for the discussion on Dictionary Entry, I agree with you on this. > > > > Kind regards, > > Katrien > > > > > Lic. Katrien Depuydt/ > /senior onderzoeker/taalkundige > > senior researcher/linguist > > +31 (0)71 527 2479 +31 (0)6 53627318 / kamer 104 > > > > */instituut voor de Nederlandse taal/* > > Rapenburg 61 / 2311 GJ / Leiden > > Postbus 9515 / 2300 RA / Leiden > > > > www.ivdnt.org > > > > > > > *Van:*Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de] > *Verzonden:* donderdag 19 april 2018 8:29 > *Aan:* public-ontolex@w3.org > *Onderwerp:* Re: OntoLex minutes 9/Apr/18 > > > > Dearl all, > > thanks to John for the minutes and to Julia for the detailed response > to Sander. > > Personally, I am not convinved about renaming "DictionaryEntry" to > "SuperEntry". First "DictionaryEntry" says nothing about whether a > dictionary is printed. > > According to WIkipedia: A *dictionary*, sometimes known as > a *wordbook*, is a collection of words > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word> in one or more specific languages > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language>, often > arranged alphabetically > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetical_order> (or by radical and > stroke > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical-and-stroke_sorting> for ideographic > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideographic> languages), which may > include information on definitions > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition>, usage, etymologies > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymologies>, pronunciations > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation>, translation, etc.^[1] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictionary#cite_note-Web1-1> or a book > of words in one language with their equivalents in another, sometimes > known as a lexicon <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicon>.^[1] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictionary#cite_note-Web1-1> It is > a lexicographical <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicography> product > which shows inter-relationships among the data.^[2] > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictionary#cite_note-2> > > > The relevant terms are: collection and most importantly to me > "lexicographical product which shows inter-relationships among data". > I quite like this. A dictionary is primarly a conscious and deliberate > arrangement of lexical entries / words into collections, making > lexicographic choices what to group, etc. The word "product" makes > clear that a dictionary is an artifact that makes choices on how to > present / group and describe language. It is a meta-object. > > The view of a dictionary as a lexicographic product which shows > inter-relationships among the data is fine for our purposes. We could > in fact even use this definition for our module. Under this definition > it would be more than appropriate to call our object DictionaryEntry. > > I am fine with having one property describes with multiple (defined) > ranges. > > Other than that, I would like to propose that we have our next telco > on the 30th of April, if possible at 14:00 CET. Leet me know if this > works out. > > Kind regards, > Philipp. > > Am 09.04.18 um 17:13 schrieb John McCrae: > > Hi Julia, > > > > Yes that is certainly what I meant to say :) > > > > Regards, > > John > > > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Julia Bosque Gil > <jbosque@fi.upm.es <mailto:jbosque@fi.upm.es>> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Just a minor clarification for a line in the minutes from today: > > 'SuperEntry' is a better name than 'LexicalEntry' --> > 'SuperEntry' is a better name than 'DictionaryEntry' > > > > Cheers, > > Julia > > > > 2018-04-09 14:38 GMT+02:00 John McCrae > <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org > <mailto:john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>>: > > Hi all, > > > > The minutes from today are below: > > > > Present: Julia, Francesca, Ilan, John > > > > https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography > > Issues raised by Sander: > > JBG: Use of two properties describesEntry and describesSense, but > dictionaries describe much more than entries and senses. > > JBG: Single describes property with multiple range? > > JBG:Is this sufficient to capture the structure of a dictionary > > JM: Probably sufficent, but some risk of not capturing all > dictionaries > > One property with multiple ranges may be more flexible than > multiple properties > > Technical distinction between ranges of 'describes' but is there a > semantic distinction? > > JM: probably technically okay to have a single property > > JBG: SuperEntry of subEntry? > > JM: I think this is an error in my minutes. It should be SuperEntry > > FF: We aren't representing a digital version of a print > dictionary, so is dictionary entry the right name? > > JBG: if a dictionary entry only has senses for nouns ontolex core > is sufficient. however the dictionary has senses for multiple pos > I must use DictionaryEntry. The use of dictionary entry implies > the existence of a paper dictionary. > > JM: super entry is like an 'entry group' (as previously proposed) > so perhaps SuperEntry is a better name > > FF: shows that lexical entries do not occur by themselves > > IK: what is meant by typographical? what is the purpose of > lexicography module? > > aims is to represent linguistic information (JM: broadly true) > > JBG: yeah, some things are not linguistic, but somehow logical, > e.g., sense orderings > > JBG: In next telco we should repeat the goal of the module > > > > Key Points: > > 'describe' as a property with multiple ranges is acceptable > > 'SuperEntry' is a better name than 'LexicalEntry' > > goal of OntoLex is not same as TEI > > > > IK: how this relates to dictionaries. What about senses, when many > lexicographers (e.g., Kilgariff) reject them? > > JBG: we provide enough tools to represent dictionaries > > JM: OntoLex is quite opinionated as to what 'entries' and 'senses' > mean, so we need to bridge this with other representations > > IK: Looking at future goals is important too. 'SuperEntry' is more > forward-looking > > > > Next Telco: > > 23rd is difficult for some so postpone to 30 Apr, 13:00 CEST. > > > > Regards, > > John > > > > -- > > > Julia Bosque Gil > PhD Student > Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/> > > Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial > > Universidad Politécnica de Madrid > > > > > > -- > -- > Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano > AG Semantic Computing > Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) > Universität Bielefeld > > Tel: +49 521 106 12249 > Fax: +49 521 106 6560 > Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> > > Office CITEC-2.307 > Universitätsstr. 21-25 > 33615 Bielefeld, NRW > Germany > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Aan dit bericht kunnen geen rechten worden ontleend. > Het bericht is alleen bestemd voor de geadresseerde. > Indien het bericht niet voor u is bestemd, verzoeken wij > u dit aan ons te melden en het bericht te verwijderen. > > This message shall not constitute any obligations. > This message is intended solely for the addressee. > If you have received this message in error, please > inform us and delete the message. > ---------------------------------------------------------- -- -- Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano AG Semantic Computing Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) Universität Bielefeld Tel: +49 521 106 12249 Fax: +49 521 106 6560 Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de Office CITEC-2.307 Universitätsstr. 21-25 33615 Bielefeld, NRW Germany
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