Re: OntoLex minutes 9/Apr/18

Dear all,

 I have not heard any complaints, so I assume we will e-meet next Monday
30th of April at 14:00 CET.

Kind regards,

Philipp.


Am 23.04.18 um 11:59 schrieb Katrien Depuydt:
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> Hi Philip,
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> 14:00 CET on the 30th is fine for me.
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> As for the discussion on Dictionary Entry, I agree with you on this.
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> Kind regards,
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> Katrien
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> *Van:*Philipp Cimiano [mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de]
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 19 april 2018 8:29
> *Aan:* public-ontolex@w3.org
> *Onderwerp:* Re: OntoLex minutes 9/Apr/18
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> Dearl all,
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>  thanks to John for the minutes and to Julia for the detailed response
> to Sander.
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> Personally, I am not convinved about renaming "DictionaryEntry" to
> "SuperEntry". First "DictionaryEntry" says nothing about whether a
> dictionary is printed.
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> According to WIkipedia: A *dictionary*, sometimes known as
> a *wordbook*, is a collection of words
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word> in one or more specific languages
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language>, often
> arranged alphabetically
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabetical_order> (or by radical and
> stroke
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical-and-stroke_sorting> for ideographic
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideographic> languages), which may
> include information on definitions
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definition>, usage, etymologies
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etymologies>, pronunciations
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pronunciation>, translation, etc.^[1]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictionary#cite_note-Web1-1>  or a book
> of words in one language with their equivalents in another, sometimes
> known as a lexicon <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicon>.^[1]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictionary#cite_note-Web1-1>  It is
> a lexicographical <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicography> product
> which shows inter-relationships among the data.^[2]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dictionary#cite_note-2>
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>
> The relevant terms are: collection and most importantly to me
> "lexicographical product which shows inter-relationships among data".
> I quite like this. A dictionary is primarly a conscious and deliberate
> arrangement of lexical entries / words into collections, making
> lexicographic choices what to group, etc. The word "product" makes
> clear that a dictionary is an artifact that makes choices on how to
> present / group and describe language. It is a meta-object.
>
> The view of a dictionary as a lexicographic product which shows
> inter-relationships among the data is fine for our purposes. We could
> in fact even use this definition for our module. Under this definition
> it would be more than appropriate to call our object DictionaryEntry.
>
> I am fine with having one property describes with multiple (defined)
> ranges.
>
> Other than that, I would like to propose that we have our next telco
> on the 30th of April, if possible at 14:00 CET. Leet me know if this
> works out.
>
> Kind regards,
> Philipp.
>
> Am 09.04.18 um 17:13 schrieb John McCrae:
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>     Hi Julia,
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>      
>
>     Yes that is certainly what I meant to say :)
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>      
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>     Regards,
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>     John
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>      
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>     On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 4:03 PM, Julia Bosque Gil
>     <jbosque@fi.upm.es <mailto:jbosque@fi.upm.es>> wrote:
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>     Hi all,
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>     Just a minor clarification for a line in the minutes from today:
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>     'SuperEntry' is a better name than 'LexicalEntry' --> 
>     'SuperEntry' is a better name than 'DictionaryEntry'
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>      
>
>     Cheers,
>
>     Julia
>
>      
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>     2018-04-09 14:38 GMT+02:00 John McCrae
>     <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org
>     <mailto:john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>>:
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>     Hi all,
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>      
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>     The minutes from today are below:
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>      
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>     Present: Julia, Francesca, Ilan, John
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>      
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>     https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Lexicography
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>     Issues raised by Sander:
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>     JBG: Use of two properties describesEntry and describesSense, but
>     dictionaries describe much more than entries and senses.
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>     JBG: Single describes property with multiple range?
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>     JBG:Is this sufficient to capture the structure of a dictionary
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>     JM: Probably sufficent, but some risk of not capturing all
>     dictionaries
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>     One property with multiple ranges may be more flexible than
>     multiple properties
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>     Technical distinction between ranges of 'describes' but is there a
>     semantic distinction?
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>     JM: probably technically okay to have a single property
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>     JBG: SuperEntry of subEntry?
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>     JM: I think this is an error in my minutes. It should be SuperEntry
>
>     FF: We aren't representing a digital version of a print
>     dictionary, so is dictionary entry the right name?
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>     JBG: if a dictionary entry only has senses for nouns ontolex core
>     is sufficient. however the dictionary has senses for multiple pos
>     I must use DictionaryEntry. The use of dictionary entry implies
>     the existence of a paper dictionary.
>
>     JM: super entry is like an 'entry group' (as previously proposed)
>     so perhaps SuperEntry is a better name
>
>     FF: shows that lexical entries do not occur by themselves
>
>     IK: what is meant by typographical? what is the purpose of
>     lexicography module?
>
>     aims is to represent linguistic information (JM: broadly true)
>
>     JBG: yeah, some things are not linguistic, but somehow logical,
>     e.g., sense orderings
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>     JBG: In next telco we should repeat the goal of the module
>
>      
>
>     Key Points:
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>     'describe' as a property with multiple ranges is acceptable
>
>     'SuperEntry' is a better name than 'LexicalEntry'
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>     goal of OntoLex is not same as TEI
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>      
>
>     IK: how this relates to dictionaries. What about senses, when many
>     lexicographers (e.g., Kilgariff) reject them?
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>     JBG: we provide enough tools to represent dictionaries
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>     JM: OntoLex is quite opinionated as to what 'entries' and 'senses'
>     mean, so we need to bridge this with other representations
>
>     IK: Looking at future goals is important too. 'SuperEntry' is more
>     forward-looking
>
>      
>
>     Next Telco:
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>     23rd is difficult for some so postpone to 30 Apr, 13:00 CEST.
>
>      
>
>     Regards,
>
>     John
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>
>
>     -- 
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>      
>     Julia Bosque Gil
>     PhD Student
>     Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/>
>
>     Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
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>     Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
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>      
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