- From: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
- Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 22:49:24 +0200
- To: public-ontolex@w3.org
- Message-ID: <555E44D4.1080406@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
Hi John, all, working through these comments: 1. The definition of 'other form' still says '[Other form] should be .... an abbreviation, short form or acronym'. This is incorrect and contradicts the definition of lexical entry. Can we add an example clarifying the representation of abbreviations? -> added to the agenda for tomorrow 2) Rethink example 10 3) Example 17: is supposed to show how to use denotes and evokes. We could change the IATE concept. 4) I agree that the definition of semantic frame could be simplified. I like the one you propose below. 5) Exampes 5 and 6: I think they are important to show people how to use the model also in more complex cases. I strongly argue to keep them! Examples are key to make people adopt the model. Many things are not understandable from the descriptions alone... So I table the above things for the agenda tomorrow... Regards, Philipp Am 20.05.15 um 16:57 schrieb John P. McCrae: > Hi, > > I read through the spec and there are a few major issues I detected in > the first couple of sections sections (ontolex + synsem) > > 1. The definition of 'other form' still says '[Other form] should be > .... an abbreviation, short form or acronym'. This is incorrect and > contradicts the definition of lexical entry. Can we add an example > clarifying the representation of abbreviations? > 2. ontolex/example10 now doesn't make any sense... 'bank' is just two > words each with a different meaning. Can we change this to a word with > genuine polysemy... I suggest 'troll' (1 > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll>, 2 > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll>). > 3. ontolex/example17 doesn't really show a lot and for some reason > refers to IATE for 'cat'!? (this is probably my fault...). Could we > switch it to 'spouse'/'marry' showing that these two lexical entries > have two different concepts but the same reference dbpedia:spouse > 4. The definition of semantic frame is at best confusing, I really > don't think we need to bring Gestalt Theory into this as well. My > attempt would be: > > *Semantic Frames* are the meaning of a word (and hence are also > lexical senses) but expressed by one or more ontological predicates > and their arguments. This sense of the word can only be understood > when all of its required arguments are realized. > > Similarly we need to change subframe to > > *Subframe *relates a complex semantic frame to frames for each of the > individual ontological predicates that form the complex semantic frame. > > 5. synsem/example5 and example6 are essentially the same as example4 > but they connect an eventive verb ('graduate' or 'die') with a > consequential fact ('almaMater' or 'deathYear'). This is of > questionable soundness although we have argued in papers it is valid > when the event and the consequence are in a strict bijection... still, > I would prefer to drop this for the spec as it adds a lot of > unnecessary complexity. > > There are a lot of other minor issues I will change directly in the spec. > > Regards, > John > > On Mon, May 18, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Manuel Fiorelli > <manuel.fiorelli@gmail.com <mailto:manuel.fiorelli@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Dear Philipp, All > > you can find my comments on the synsem module below. > > In Example synsem/example2, the resource :own_frame_transitive is > wrongly written :own_form_transitive. Additionally, there are two > usages of owl:subPropertyOf, which instead should be > rdfs:subPropertyOf. > > The class synsem:SemanticFrame is declared to be subclass of > ontolex:LexicalSense; however, in the picture representing the > synsem module, the arrow representing this axiom is oriented in > the opposite direction. > > In the paragraph "Semantic Frames", there is a table headed > "Type", "Predicate", "Example", whose first row contains > /City(x)/, ?x rdf:type ontology:Person: should it be ?x rdf:type > dbpedia-owl:City? > > There is no example (just below the definition of synsem:isA)about > the representation of unary predicates. Nor is there any example > about the representation of individuals. > > The definitions of synsem:{subj|obj}OfProp use the following wording: > "...property represents the semantic argument with represents" > > I would avoid a sequence of two "represents". Moreover, I think > that "with" should be "that". > > In Example synsem/example3, there is again owl:subPropertyOf. > > Also, In Example synsem/example4, there is again owl:subPropertyOf. > > In the section "Complex Senses / Semantic Frames", there is the > definition of synsem:subframe, while in the figure there is the > property synsem:subsense. > > Just below Example synsem/example7, there is an example involving > the property father: the property should point to the child; > however, the name of the property suggests to me that the object > is the father (just in the same manner skos:broader points to the > broader of a given concept). > > I think that Example synsem/example9 should be explained in more > detail. > > I didn't find the definition of synsem:propertyDomain and > synsem:propertyRange; then, I realized that they were moved to the > core module. The diagram of the core module must be updated to > include these properties, as well as the diagram of the synsem > module to remove them. > > I noticed that in the infobox providing the definition of > propertyRange and propertyDomain, the URI still uses the synsem > namespace instead of the core ontolex namespace. > > Finally, I noticed a typo in the definition of ontolex:LexicalEntry: > "The class lexical entry represents a unit of analysis of the > lexicon that consist of a set of forms that are grammatically ... " > > It should be "that consists" with an append "s". > > Best Regards > > Manuel Fiorelli > > > 2015-05-13 21:47 GMT+02:00 Philipp Cimiano > <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de > <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>: > > Dear all, > > I have been working on finalizing the synsem module, please > check: > > https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Final_Model_Specification#Syntax_and_Semantics_.28synsem.29 > > The next telco to discuss the synsem module will be on Friday > the 22nd of Mai, 16:00 CET. > > Please send me any issues to discuss or comments on the synsem > module by Thurday 21st of Mai at the very latest. > > Thanks and best regards, > > Philipp. > > -- > -- > Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano > AG Semantic Computing > Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) > Universität Bielefeld > > Tel: +49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> > Fax: +49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> > Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de > <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> > > Office CITEC-2.307 > Universitätsstr. 21-25 > 33615 Bielefeld, NRW > Germany > > > > -- -- Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano AG Semantic Computing Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) Universität Bielefeld Tel: +49 521 106 12249 Fax: +49 521 106 6560 Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de Office CITEC-2.307 Universitätsstr. 21-25 33615 Bielefeld, NRW Germany
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